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Rant Session - Baby Showers
I don't want my sister in law to see this on line, so I'm going to both rant here and invite other people's experiences. In the last 4 years I've either been not invited to, or my wife has been invited but I haven't or men were not very present at Baby showers: Our babyshower: 4 guys, 30 women best man baby shower: not invited, but a bunch of our wives were Alyssa's brides maid: sister- in-law: Alyssa invited, no men invited really good friend: not invited our sprinkle for twins: I had to convince my mother in law and aunt in law to invite the men and boy cousins not just the women sister- in-law: Alyssa invited, no men invited This event feels like such a tone-setter for how the mental load and cognitive and emotional labor will be owned in the relationship. I think that if we want there to be less of a ton of bricks change in mental load ownership upon the children arriving, we need to include and do the emotional labor of having men be a part of these events. All of the items that show up for THE BABY, not the mom, that both parents will likely be using, become owned my mom because of the context they are given. Would love some thoughts on how your showers went/how it impacted the way you saw your fatherhood
1 like • 18d
Unfortunately “baby showers” are just the capitalist consumerist echo of the ancestral rite of passage that has always been “initiating the new mother”. What was originally supposed to be a sacred gathering of mothers grandmothers aunts and sisters to share stories and rituals that would help prepare the new mother for birth and matrescence, has now become “let’s buy baby all these things you don’t need”. Originally, there was an intentional reason for this sacred rite of passage to be only witnessed by the women of the tribe. Now there’s no good reason whatsoever for men to be excluded from what is now “baby showers”. Makes me sad to think about the dads out there who want to give the gender role rebalancing a fair chance and yet are discouraged from doing so by unproductive (colonizer) cultural norms rooted in profit, not actual care for the new parents or new human. Instead of wisdom and experience and care being shared with the mother and father for their coming “rebirth” into this new role, it’s now just pretty much any other aesthetic party with parlor games and Photo Booth ops and colorful dessert platters to insta post.
3 likes • 17d
@Zach Watson my guess is that severing started when women started being hunted in the “witch trials”, which was really just systematic femicide over the span of centuries. The first women murdered for their practices being “witchcraft” were actually midwives, and I think that was very intentional because historically midwives were the wisdom keepers, so erase the midwives and you sever a woman’s access to knowledge and her power. And then from there my guess is the “Industrial Revolution” being the time when it became a more skewed thing from its origins like closer to “baby shower” I guess? Not sure what the actual origin story is for how they became what we now know them to be. I just think the Industrial Revolution can be blamed for a lot of cultural decline lol
Intro and how do you tackle the idea of preference vs. need?
Hey there, I'm really glad to find a community like this. I really want to become a full team with my wife in caring for our lives, but all the aspiration in the world doesn't help when we hit real world situations, and I'm hopeful I can have some breakthroughs by getting others' perspectives and input and through some of the guided materials here. The largest mental barrier for me in my efforts so far has been agreeing on the urgency or importance of different tasks. I tend to feel like everything important is more or less covered, and it doesn't matter if X isn't taken care of. I can sense that she's often actually correct in her view of things, but I struggle to fully see it that way without a clear explanation that brings me into feeling it the same way and/or seeing it as objectively true and not simply a preference that she has. It seems wrong to me to insist on anything that's a preference. Of course, asking for that kind of explanation is further mental load. One example is laundry. I would be fully comfortable if the laundry was never fully put away for the rest of our lives, and it seems to me that it does not in fact matter. She sees it as a barrier to enjoying our home as much as we could because it creates clutter in the guest room where clean clothes collect on the bed. I can get by for a while on the thought that "it's okay to do things only because that's how she wants them—that's love, right?" but after a while I find I can't sustain the effort when the truth is I just don't believe it's a real problem, and I'm ultimately just doing it to keep her from being mad at me. I just watched Zach's video on the "do better" loop last night and found a LOT to relate to in there. I've not seen this specific angle of things brought up anywhere, so I'm grateful for any insight you all might have in this area.
2 likes • Oct '25
First of all, welcome! You are in the absolutely right place. The most important thing is the open-mindedness to grow and the and curiosity it takes to see things from a more expanded perspective. It’s good to get curious about where your wife is coming from, and first and foremost validating her feelings, no matter your perspective on the issue. It sounds like the mess of clothes causes her stress or anxiety (and for a lot of people, shame). Although you may not experience these emotions from the laundry, she most likely does. My question for you is, is it more important to be right? Or is it more important to help alleviate a potential stressor that is for the most part under your control? This is not about striving for perfection, but thinking about it in a different way that leads to you taking small, intentional steps that help her feel seen, supported and maybe less alone. Ultimately It’s about not looking at the issue itself, but more importantly looking at the underlying emotions around the things, communicating to your wife that you SEE these feelings in her, and figuring out together where a middle ground can be reached through empathetic communication. I promise you, just communicating to her the emotions you see in her (in a kind and non-judgmental way) will be a GAME CHANGER. Again, this community is the right place to be. You are very supported on your journey, and your relationship will be all the better for the work you are willing to do here!
Day 2- 21 Day challenge
Physical - pulled up old flooring and put into trash Cognitive thought about the air quality and dust flying around, realized I would need to put cats in a different area so I could keep the windows open and bring their littler box down Emotional- respond calmly when our child really struggled upon me flushing the toilet rather than them, and being kind and compassionate in that moment.
1 like • Oct '25
Physical - rearranged bins and boxes in storage unit to pull out winter clothes Cognitive - next steps for getting house ready to list Emotional - helping comfort my toddler after the light gets turned off at bedtime (he hates it)
Day 1 (21 Day Challenge)
Share 3 things that had to be thought of first before they happened today 1. School lunches 2. Appointment change 3. Contacting home owner to make alterations
3 likes • Oct '25
1. Pay invoice for swim class 2. Pack diaper bag 3. Contact landlord about rent payment
Whats the conversation you aren't getting past...
Every home that is struggling with equality of invisible labor has a conversation they are struggling with that takes on different flavors, which one are you struggling with the most?
0 likes • Sep '25
@Khadija McQuarrie THIS!
0 likes • Sep '25
@Jodie Schel ugh I feel this, definitely in the same boat over here
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Married to Tim 5/1/22 💖 Mama of two boys under 3. Proud first generation Puerto Rican. Training Herbalist and Postpartum Doula.

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