Detuning Layers for Realism — Workflow Discussion
Hi everyone, I wanted to open a discussion specifically around achieving more realism in string sections when working with orchestral or hybrid productions, particularly in contexts outside of the typical trailer music approach, where string writing often leans towards massive, generalized ensemble sounds. One thing I've always noticed, both when producing myself and when receiving tracks for mixing, is that sampled string libraries, no matter how good they are, often sound too perfect, too in tune. No matter how good the library is, there's always that subtle lack of natural imperfection we get from real players such as slight tuning discrepancies, micro pitch drifts, and the overall organic instability that gives life to an ensemble. For quite some time now, whenever I have access to the MIDI, I’ve been adding a second layer of the same articulation, detuning it slightly (via MIDI pitch or fine-tune adjustments) to emulate those subtle imperfections. If I get only audio, I use other tools with processing blended in parallel quite carefully. Sometimes it’s just a few cents up or down, and the result feels noticeably more organic, less sterile. So I'm curious: - Do any of you have a similar workflow or protocol for this? - Are you layering detuned duplicates, or maybe combining different libraries for natural tuning discrepancies? - Have you found better results manipulating pitch at the MIDI level versus post-processing (via micro pitch-shifting plugins or modulation)? - And how far do you push it before it starts sounding chorused or phasey? - Are you using that approach for other tonal instruments different than strings? (I often layer sounds on the percussions, but that's a completely different concern and approach) For context, I’m a big fan of the Spitfire libraries, I own quite a lot of them, especially Chamber Strings, which I often blend with Symphony Orchestra or BBC Symphony by using solo desks or layering to shape the sound. However, I’m totally open to exploring other approaches or suggestions, including investing in additional new libraries for this only purpose if needed.