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Shirt Sleeve Length... perfection?
Hi all, I have arms that fall between OTR shirt sleeve lengths: 35.25" - 35.3". While I am trying some bespoke dress shirts at this time, that's a longer-term solution. So, my tailor and I are beginning to adjust my shirt lengths. This is where my post comes in to play. There seems to be general agreement on the ideal shirt length, but there are variations. Copilot suggests the shirt should end either where the wrist meets the hand and "creases" or on or past the wrist bone. I have heard some suggest it is the middle of the wrist bone. ALSO, there seems to be agreement that French cuffs should end slightly lower (more towards the hand) than barrel cuffs. Now, I am understand that perfection is unobtainable. Of course, note that my profession is that of a measurement specialist in difficult to measure topics (e.g., depression). Moreover, I believe that part of my gentleman's journey is the pursuit of perfection, even when I know I will never get there. This duplicity is totally fine with me, as I believe striving for perfection drives us to continually learn, challenge ourselves, and grow beyond initial lessons learned on our path. I would love to hear where you all think the correct end of the shirt cuff should land. If it's precise, in your mind (e.g., exact middle of the wrist bone), please share that level of detail. If you firmly believe it is a range, please share that detail. I've put this as a survey, but really welcome the comments. Thank you all for your feedback.
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Since the ideal jacket sleeve length is usually considered to be ending at the wrist bone and some cuff is intended to be exposed, the ideal cuff length should end past the wrist bone. Personally, I think the ideal cuff length varies per person, depending upon your wrist and hand size, shape, and structure. If you had a test cuff that fit the size of your wrist perfectly (slightly snug but not tight on the wrist bone), then the natural stopping point of that cuff should probably be your ideal length. This cuff would be too tight for actual wear, of course, but would serve as a guide for where your actual cuffs should stop. A cuff at that length isn't going to interfere with the natural movement of your wrist while exposing a proper amount of the cuff beyond the jacket sleeve.
Montblanc Meisterstruck pen quality
I have a 146 and the grand poohbah 149 Montblanc Meisterstruck pens. I love fountain pens and almost always carry one in my chest pocket. The 149 was purchased early in 2026 and I had them switch it to a double-wide pen. My 146 is a fine nib so I wanted the opposite experience. When you do this at purchase, the nib is free as is the process of changing it over. Normally, these gold/iridium nibs are about $350 and the cost can be a few hundred to change them, as they get sent to Germany and are done by their team of Meisterstruck experts. I have received the 149 back from their Germany team... twice. It's off to them again. Ink flow is horribly inconsistent. My $20 Pilot fountain pen operates WAY better than this $1300 pen. My sales' person at Montblanc pulled me aside on Saturday when I brought the pen back to the store again. She noted that nearly all of the expert staff retired, or put in for retirement, shortly after COVID. The new generation are reportedly poorly trained and she has had similar issues to my pen with 6 different customers, with pens ranging from $800 - $20,000 in cost. I cannot verify her claims, so do not take this as gospel. That said, if you are considering buying a Montblanc pen, be sure it comes with the nib you want and test it thoroughly in the store. Alternatively, go to a well-regarded pen reseller and buy a used Montblanc until this gets sorted out. This reduction in quality and skill matches with other areas of Montblanc, like their leather products. They switched from very high quality leather to horrible quality leather (there is a guy on YouTube the rips open leather products to review the quality and all of the new MB products have gotten panned). This is truly sad, as MB has stood for quality for over 100 years.
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I'm up for my trip, here in Vegas, so I'm thinking about making a commemorative purchase today to celebrate our trip. The last trip here, I thought about buying a Montblanc fountain pen but ended up going with a Suit Supply jacket instead. I am, of course, a bit concerned about the potential quality issues. On the other hand, I don't have a Montblanc in my correction, yet. @Dr. Jason Cole - Any tips on how to avoid these quality issues? Are there particular models that don't have as many concerns?
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@Dr. Jason Cole Thank you, sir!
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Sartorial Shoe Advice
Gentlemen, I’m seeking a bit of sartorial counsel for an upcoming all-inclusive resort trip to Cancun. As much as I’d enjoy bringing half my closet, I’m attempting to exercise some uncommon restraint and limit myself to three pairs of shoes, plus whatever pair earns the privilege of accompanying me on the flight. My current contenders are: A) Brown driving loafers B) Navy suede espadrilles C) Brown suede loafers D) Leather sandals The wardrobe will consist primarily of linen shirts, polos, lightweight trousers, and the occasional linen jacket for dinner. Think relaxed resort elegance rather than “spring break survivor.” My concern is whether I’m being unnecessarily redundant with both the driving loafers and suede loafers, or whether each earns its place in the rotation. Likewise, are the navy suede espadrilles a resort essential, or merely my latest attempt to justify another shoe purchase? If you were limited to three pairs, which would make the final cut—and which would be left standing sadly by the closet door as I head for the airport? Looking forward to your thoughts, disagreements, and inevitable recommendations that I buy another pair entirely. #thestruggleisreal
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I try to avoid exposed toes unless I'm planning on getting into the water. And, for that, I have a pair of Bombas slides that can double as shower shoes. Regardless, Im wondering if you might be asking the wrong question. Rather than asking what gives you the most versatility, perhaps the better question is what covers all your bases for your planned activities... If you're going to explore the Coba temples or go zip-lining, for example, I'm not sure any of those options work well. Since shoes are among the most cumbersome items to pack, I usually start with a list of planned activities - including travel - and start with an array of slots for shoes to fit every functional need. In my closet, there will often be multiple options for each slot. Then, I'll move to my other cumbersome packing item - my hats. Once I have a selection of shoes and hats that work together for each day, then I build my outfits around those combinations.
OOTD 2026-06-09: Anniversary Dinner #2...
This evening we're dining at Gymkhana for our second "Anniversary Dinner" of this trip, and I coordinated my outfit with my wife's. I took a video of the watch to show how the Aventurine dial looks under the sun restaurant lighting. Outfit rundown: - Made-to-measure, light blue and white striped, cotton seersucker dress shirt by Proper Cloth - Light gray, glen checked, cotton seersucker trousers by Bonobos - Navy and gray striped suspenders by KK&J - Navy, cotton, no-show socks by Nobile Italy - Navy, full grain leather, Venetian loafers by Frye - Made-to-measure, navy herringbone, Rivelino wool blazer from Coats Clothing Company - Dusty pink, knit silk tie by Hawes & Curtis - Burgundy, pink, mauve, and rust silk pocket square - Silver toned, Star Wars Rebel Alliance lapel pin by LFL - Silver toned, Star Wars, Luke Skywalker Lightsaber tie bar by LFL - Sterling Silver, Star Wars R2D2 cufflinks by LFL - Sterling Silver and blue crystal, Star Wars, Obi-Wan Kenobi Lightsaber ring (as wedding ring) by Rocklove - Sterling Silver, Sapphire, and Garnet Star Wars R2D2 ring by LFL SOTD: Angelic Aged Whiskey of Mind Control by The Dua Brand WOTD: Ascent Aventurine 41mm GADA Automatic by Erebus
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