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Counter-Forensics and the Resurrection
Hey y’all, not too long ago, I saw a video on a pastor named Paul Vanderklay’s YouTube channel where he had a discussion with a guy named John who runs a podcast called “Christianity on the Spectrum” (what I’ll be discussing from the video is roughly from the time 14:10 to 23:40). John is an expert at counter-forensics, which he claims is a deep analysis of how does/can one know things in historical reconstruction, and of what processes does one follow to accurately reconstruct the past. It seems that in his work he generally is doing analysis on events recently occurred (especially compared to ancient historical documents). I’ll give a definition I got from an AI overview, which is: A counter forensicist is a professional who reviews, critiques, and challenges evidence from an initial forensic investigation. They look for mistakes, biases, or wrong conclusions in crime scene reports. This helps ensure that the legal system is fair and that evidence is accurate. In the video (which is attached to this post), John essentially speaks on how he at one point accepted much of critical scholarship on the New Testament. Later when he began to reflect on his views on NT critical scholarship in light of counter forensics, he realized that a lot of the things said by the critical scholarship were erroneous, such as their strong claims for particular events not occurring and arguments against traditional authorship. However, he also thought that the claims made by the Christian apologists were erroneous as well. One of the things he mentioned in the video that is specifically problematic to him is when scholars use stylometric analysis to make strong claims about authorship, because the New Testament is only 30,000 words, which he claims is not enough data to draw from and claims that the New Testament does not have enough of the types of data required to do that kind of analysis. He additionally seemed to think that strong claims about Jesus did or did not say are (at least often) speculative. Do you guys have any thoughts on this? Have you heard this critique of New Testament scholarship or critiques like it? The video is linked below for those who'd want to watch (like I said earlier, I'm drawing from roughly 14:10 - 23:40):
Need help with a discussion on the resurrection
I've had a long discussion with two friends about the resurrection as the proof for Christianity, I've gotten some objections I am not sure how to answer: Firstly, a "spiritual but not religious" friend of mine said Jesus could've been a man who simply transcended spiritually and learned how to defeat death, then he did so to trick people in order to attain worship for himself Secondly, from an agnostic, the resurrection of Jesus could be explained by natural causes we haven't yet discovered, like a unique biological anomaly, an error inside of a simulation or a law of physics not yet discovered I'd much appreciate any help with these objections as I found myself stuck, thank you!
Need help with a discussion on the resurrection
Two Powers Reference in 1 Kings?
I haven't done a whole deep dive into this text that I stumbled upon when reading my Bible this morning, but it seems to mirror this "two powers in heaven" idea that we see during the 2nd Temple period, or at least it seems to be something similar. Please let me know if anyone knows about this reference, or if anyone else has commented on it before: In 1 Kings 19:9-14, Elijah is in the wilderness, after running away from Queen Jezebel, after she ordered the death of Elijah. Elijah makes his way to a cave after the angel of Yahweh gives him food and water. The text then says: "Then the word of the LORD came to him, saying, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” He answered, “I have been very zealous for the LORD, the God of hosts, for the Israelites have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword. I alone am left, and they are seeking my life, to take it away.” (1 Ki 19:9–10, NRSVue) Notice here how, when Elijah is describing the situation, very explicitly to "the word of the Lord", Elijah says "...for the Israelites have forsaken YOUR covenant, thrown down YOUR altars, and killed YOUR prophets with the sword." So, we can see here that one "subject" asks Elijah a question, and Elijah responds to that subject, attributing the covenant, altars, and prophets to that same subject. The text, however, doesn't stop there: Then (very importantly) the word of the Lord tells Elijah to "...go out and stand on the mountain before the LORD, for the LORD is about to pass by." We could derive a similar 2 Powers motif from this part alone, but I think there is even stronger support if we continue. Then Elijah hears and sees a great wind, an earthquake, and a great fire, but the text says that the Lord was not in any of them. The Lord was, however, in the "...sound of sheer silence." Now, interestingly, the exchange between Elijah and the LORD is the exact same exchange that we see between the word of the LORD and Elijah: What are you doing here, Elijah?” He answered, “I have been very zealous for the LORD, the God of hosts, for the Israelites have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword."
Reading Recommendation for Ancient Christian Heresies
On May 30th, I'm doing a presentation on the Christian Apologetics network on ancient heretical Christian groups. Instead of showing merely that these heresies are not biblical, or that the Trinity is orthodox, I've decided to take the approach of showing why these heresies are NOT apostolic. I think one way to advance the case for the Trinity being implicitly taught by the Old Testament/intertestamental communities is to demonstrate the counterfactual connection, that the same "implicit teaching" cannot be likewise said of the ancient Christian heresies. Any reading/research recommendations that would aid the above "counterfactual argument?" My preliminary research shows that refuting Walter Bauer's influential thesis is essential. He basically theorized that heresy arose before orthodoxy in Christian communities, and is arguably the foundation for low Christological theories for modern higher critics (of the likes of Elaine Pagels, Bart Ehrman, etc.). TA Robinson's "The Bauer Thesis Examined" is only available in hard-copy, but I have a pdf of Paul Hartog's "Orthodoxy and Heresy in Early Christian Contexts." I haven't taken looked at "Heresy of Orthodoxy" by Köstenberger and Kruger, since I'm generally skeptical of the findings from (presuppositional) "reformed epistemologists" by the likes of Kruger. I would think the essays provided by Hartog should be enough, but I want to double-check my blind-spots if I'm missing anything essential. Thanks!
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⚠️ 2 EXTREMELY Good Books
A common objection to Nicene orthodoxy (or to any doctrinal commitment within the Nicene trajectory) is that these commitments were *invented* at Nicaea with no pre-Nicene precedent. This is completely false. It’s a myth that is largely running rampant on the internet. We need to know how to respond decisively so we’re not blindsided when the accusation comes. Here are two books you have to get your hands on, and a quick look at how they help you dismantle this argument and show just how embarrassingly bad it is.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ R.P.C. Hanson’s The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God (1988) is widely regarded as the definitive scholarly treatment of the fourth-century trinitarian controversy. A few reasons it matters: It dismantled the old narrative of a clean “orthodox vs. Arian” fight. Hanson showed there was no unified Arian party. Instead, it was a spectrum of theologians groping toward a vocabulary for how the Son relates to the Father. It argued that “orthodoxy” itself was being constructed during the controversy, not defended from a fixed deposit. The Nicene settlement of 381 was a hard-won outcome instead of a foregone conclusion. It rehabilitated figures long dismissed as heretics (Eusebius of Caesarea, the Homoiousians) by taking their arguments seriously on their own terms, and complicated the heroic portraits of Athanasius and the Cappadocians. It remains the standard reference. Nearly every subsequent book on Nicaea, Athanasius, or fourth-century theology engages Hanson, even when disagreeing with him (e.g., Lewis Ayres, Khaled Anatolios). John Behr’s The Nicene Faith (2004, two parts) is the second volume of his Formation of Christian Theology series and covers much the same ground as Hanson, but with a very different sensibility. Why it matters: Behr reads the controversy theologically rather than primarily as institutional history. He’s interested in what the Fathers were actually trying to say about God. For Behr, the fight was a struggle over how to read Scripture christologically, especially the apostolic preaching of the crucified Christ.
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