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Thoughts as "phenomena" and experience as a consequence
Hey, I am not sure how to word this so I will just jump straight in. Have you ever noticed how our thoughts are, as if, received? Obviously there's an aspect where we generate some surface level thoughts, but there is another aspect we have where shit just pops up, and I wanted to take a look at that for a moment. What I'm trying to say but having a hard time is that our thoughts, especially on the level of what seems to be "received" by us, feels as if a consequence of whatever "mode" we're being in. That is, whatever we have "going on" for us tends to pop up in little, or in big ways in the day to day experiences we live, whether when we think things or whenever we experience things. And this shit does not appear to be in the same vein as the thoughts that we think consciously. As in "I summon the image of a blue banana" kind of thought. These thoughts and emotions appear to be tied in some way to "unconscious" or deeper thoughts in some kind of way. In a sense, these kinds of thoughts tend to arise as a consequence! In a sense. That's what I'm trying to get at. And, when we are trying to consciously contemplate something, or even just change our way of doing things, these kinds of emotions and thoughts tend to just scramble up in reaction or in upset. These things taken with a grain of salt may be the best attitude towards them. Curious, open and prodding, but not regarding them beyond the sputter of a machine we want to more fully confront and understand. (Maybe "following the line" back to it's source could be useful?) Now, I also want to extend that a bit further and question whether our entire experience of our lives as we know them are like that too. A "consequence" of something "else"... It's an interesting thought experiment to take a look at our entire experience and wonder what the fundamental base that allows them to be that is. That's an interesting question. What are the components that found my experience to be this?! Is my experience a consequence of something else?
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Goal of the self?
Just being very honest here, in noticing my motivations, and my "deeper thoughts," on a very "down-low" level, what I've got going on is some sort of activity of "needing" to be "the best" in some kind of way. Status attainment somehow. Now, I know this isn't unique to me, and it seems pretty glaringly obvious in a lot of people's cases, but why is it there?? What does it contribute? How come so much of my self-mind activity and so much of what I do ends up giving energy to this? Because let's say it straight right now. For most of us, actual physical survival, ergo not dying, isn't something we have to think about almost EVER. We've got food shelter water this and that to take care of us. Even if it fell apart a bit we most likely wouldn't die. Yet SO much of our energy and attention is being given somewhere else! Where is our attention going? What is it we're doing? Is that what keeps us from being free and happy? I don't know, but I would appreciate some guided thoughts on the matter as I really want to bang a hammer over the head of this issue. It is so much of like, my entire experience! From impulse to emotions, to... Who knows what else. It's just so central to my experience. I even find, when it comes to dedicating my life force to something, if it doesn't gain me status, "is it worth it?" Or some such. I guess all this really feeds into the question, for me, what actually is a Self? What is it's Goal or Purpose?
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@David Kim Dude, thank you for your well thought out and "on point" response you absolutely nailed the kind of thing I wanted to get into. 👍👍👍 I honestly think I can take some time and digest some of that
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I think with all of this I should say I'm starting to see this whole amalgom. This whole self shebang. Instead of it being "me" and all of these thoughts I would take for granted, and by that I really want to emphasize that dynamic of thinking something so much is true that you don't even THINK to question it, even amongst an endeavor of questioning! It's like the "reality" that I would decide to "question within" is formed formed by all these ideas and stuff that would be taken for granted. Instead of just looking at the "stuff," I can as if "look in the other direction." Idk it's a kind of a weird way of saying it but questioning the "reality" that would even have me decide to start questioning. More fundamental, more true than this self stuff. So I guess you are right David, I am questioning both this conceptual, personal self, and the one more fundamental to that. Just soaking in a deeper awareness of these things and trying to be "grandly open" as if
How to Get Deeper Insights Into Conceptualization?
I’m currently reading Ending Unnecessary Suffering. In the first chapter Ralston says that we need to grasp that a significant portion of our experience is muddied with concepts. When I’m reading the book and consciously trying to do this, I don’t find it difficult. If for example, I am feeling grief towards a person no longer in my life, I can investigate the mental image of that person and realize it is not the same as them. It’s a distorted, inaccurate representation, and it’s literally NOT them. I can also play some games where I imagine them wearing a giraffe hat. When I put the book down and go back to normal life, I go back to my default of being affected by my internal mental images as if they are accurate representations. I don’t know how to access this state of continuous realization. Is it done through practice? Should I spend some time every day doing this exercise and then eventually, the deeper insight will come?
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The biggest thing I think here, the factor, that makes a difference is how well you actually SEE this dynamic occuring as something that already DOES makeup and create your experience to be THAT. As in, it's not like what you should only be doing is memorizing the model, but get that he's actually pointing to what is already real and creates your experience to be that. That means the common experiences we walk around with. My idea, and bear with me here because I could be wrong, is that the difference is that you're working really hard to try and practice what you're reading, which is definitely not bad, but, like the finger pointing to the moon, there is a chance you get stuck on the finger, and forget that the whole nature of the work is to become more conscious of what is going on in your own condition, your own experience. The more conscious you, genuinely, are, without just "applying knowledge," that your experience is dominated largely by the concepts, and that you have these emotional experiences because of some kind of concept and way of relating that YOU have, the nature of the practice that you "should" do becomes much more clear, and then it becomes a matter of discipline, and maybe more contemplation, more to become conscious of.
Rethinking Motivation
Great video, Brendan. From the video, "I didn't do it because...." Is it always all in one's mind? What if I didn't do it because I was indeed tired physically and/or mentally, simply forgot something, had ADD/ADHD, etc.? Can all that be overcome just by shifting my attitude towards doing things?
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Hi, mouthpiece here. Honestly I think that unless something is literally physically stopping you or you do not have the option to, that means even if you really tried you could not make it happen, like picking up a 10,000 pound boulder, then it's all mind, really. Even forgetting something can sometimes come from not wanting to think about it or avoided, but even without that, it seems like it HAS to fall into being mnnd cuz it all seems conceptual
The principle of Cheng Hsin
I want to prose a little consideration on the "principle of Cheng Hsin." Namely, the principle, as if, behind the principles we use to study and adopt effective ways of moving or supporting our discovery. In the principles of effortless power, after listing the five principles of an effortlessly effective body being (being calm, relaxing, centering, grounding, being whole and total,) this quote is shown. "Actually, these words do not really indicate what the principles are; it is more accurate to say that they refer to what arises out of being aligned with the principles." And, later on in the section, "The following descriptions do not name the principles, but only allude to them by speaking of the states that appear in the principles’ unfettered presence." Earlier on in the chapter, before it lists the 5 principles, it also says "The basic principle of Cheng Hsin as it occurs in the event of being (being a body, being alive, being in interaction) is approached here through several apparently separate considerations. Since it is especially difficult to realize the actual principle of Cheng Hsin itself, this divisible form of presentation is much easier to grasp. But keep in mind, discovering the actual Principle — behind the sub-principles we use to investigate it here — is possible, profound, and encouraged." That's a pretty interesting collection of stuff right? Here I also want to point out, (although this could be different, I still think it's useful to point out here) that in the book of not knowing, in chapter 5, 5:7, before listing the principles of discovery, it's written "Although they are actually four distinctions within the same basic pursuit—and it is the spirit of this pursuit that we wish to adopt—they act as cornerstone principles for this endeavor by setting the stage for true inquiry." And after listing them, it says 5:49 You may begin to see how these principles are intertwined, really four parts of a single endeavor. So, with all this, the issue of language comes to the fore. The interesting thing about models is that while being accurate to language in the sense they represent something "technically," as in you could say that's "technically" true, the experience of the thing could be so much different that there's different angles and ways to describe it that that could just be one possible way, and it's necessary to recognize that when learning from another, and remember to keep investigating the potential of the words and stay honest with yourself about what's real when looking for an experience of something someone else says. Anyway, just thought I'd share my recent musings of principles
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