Which games hide their greatness behind either a high initial difficulty level, unintuitive control or complexity meaning somebody who played the game for 5 mins (especially if they had no instructions) would dismiss it as a bad or average game not giving it chance for its strengths to shine through? I know @Phil Wheatley mentioned Wizball in his latest Zzap review video as an example of game that would be easy to give up on when you are just bouncing around until after you get the first couple of power ups it’s true genius shines through! A game I recently got an original copy of was New York City and I’ve had this game for years not knowing what to do and now I have the instructions and know what to do it’s a fun little game. Any other games you can think of that people should invest time that have that difficult initial “in”?

Just stumbled on this great platform/puzzler. You work your way through by flipping and inverting the play field. Such a great game, I lost a couple hours to it last night. https://h4plo.itch.io/shift There's a video on the creator's itch page, linked above.

Personally, Spy vs Spy 2 was my fave, but most likely because I'd played it before the first one, which I think most people would say is the best, and certainly most challenging. I remember when I first played the 3rd one, I pretty much instantly dismissed it. I'm not sure if it was because it lacked the atmosphere of the others, or because it just felt like more of the same. However, I played it again yesterday with an open mind and it's actually quite good fun. It's a shame it was a bit of a commercial flop, as apparently there was a 4th one planed which was going to be in space. This makes sense as in the 3rd one, when you complete the level, you get in a rocket and blast vertically out of the screen. What's your thoughts on this game or any of the others in the series?

You all know the next question... What printers have we all got connected to our beloved C64's.? I have a CBM 803, not connected but I can use it when I want to print something, due to the cartridges being rare, I don't use it too much. Cheat and print on a Lazerjet connected to a PC. Years ago I saved £100 and bought an 803 printer, must have been in late 80's early 1990's. Printed loads out whilst at school (other discussion before). Did as we all do, get married, move house, loose C64 in the move. Just got a 803 off the internet and it works perfectly. So what printers have we got connected then.....

I think it will be a special topic for everyone where you can show games or other things which are mostly less known for users of Commodore 64. I'll start here with two games I've found recently: - Nether Earth - Its a real time strategy game which is "the Command and and conquer of the 80's" by someone. "Nether Earth is a realtime strategy game that takes place in the distant future. A war is being waged between humans and ancient race of aliens called Insignian. On their mysterious planet there are four bases to capture - Kerberus, Tarras, Faretra and Diolkos. Use factories to build giant battle robots, similar to Mech units in other games. Commanding robots, capturing factories and defeating enemies in realtime are the player's primary goals. The player controls a small flying robot, instead of mouse cursor. With this robot the player can enter a factory to design unique battle robot from parts like wheels, antigrav, radar, laser gun or nuclear weapons. After that the player has to command the robot. Artificial intelligence works well at first, but in tough times it is possible to control the robot manually. As the balance of power changes with each conquered base, the player must also adjust strategies and tactics." Source: Nether Earth - LaunchBox Games Database - Ellak's Tomb - Interesting turn based RPG. "An adventuring dungeon crawl full of creatures, magic and surprises." Source: Ellak's Tomb - LaunchBox Games Database