Ok, I am completely flabbergasted. I was talking to some guy at the conference where I am during the reception at the end of the day and was talking about the Society and the vision behind this movement. This guy actually said that things were better now that guys weren't gentlemanly. He was saying that we should not dress well or have good manners. I almost didn't know what to say. There was a lady next to me that seems that she was shocked also. He was also talking about toxic masculinity and he son's friends being trans and stuff like that so I guess it's not too surprising.