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A song of solidarity with Bita
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Don’t stop talking about #BitaShafiei #FreeBita #BeHerVoice
Zero Motive: Dismantling the USS Liberty Myth
June 1967. Israel is surrounded by three armies. Why would they open fire on the only superpower that wasn't trying to destroy them? This is the question that dismantles the conspiracy surrounding the USS Liberty. Growing up in Iran, I was exposed to a lifetime’s worth of anti-Israel propaganda. I saw how narratives were engineered to fuel hatred rather than reflect reality. That experience gave me a distinct advantage: I know exactly what a manufactured conspiracy looks like. The story of the USS Liberty fits that pattern perfectly. The fiction suggests this was a deliberate act of war. The facts tell a different story. Let us look at the board. Israel was fighting an existential war on three fronts against Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. These nations were backed by the Soviet Union. The United States was the only major power that stood as a potential counterweight to Soviet aggression in the region. To believe Israel attacked the Liberty on purpose, you must believe that the Israeli command made a conscious decision to attack their only ally while already outnumbered and outgunned. This is not strategy. It is national suicide. The deliberate attack theory suggests that Israel risked bringing the full military might of the United States down upon them in the middle of a war for survival. It implies they risked total diplomatic isolation and the end of US aid for a tactical objective that remains undefined to this day. In game theory, actors behave rationally to maximize their survival. There is no rational model where a tiny nation, fighting for its life, decides to provoke a superpower. Mistakes in war are common. Friendly fire is a statistical inevitability in high-speed mechanized conflict. Communications fail. People panic. Identities get confused. We see this in every major conflict. The reality of the USS Liberty is far more mundane than the conspiracy theorists want to admit. It was not a sinister plot. It was the fog of war. Israel had everything to lose and nothing to gain. When you remove the emotion and look at the calculus, the answer is clear. It was a terrible error, but it was an error.
Zero Motive: Dismantling the USS Liberty Myth
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Israel was not considered a strategic ally to America until after the Six-Day War when it had proven its military value. Due to the Vietnam war, President LBJ broke President Eisenhower’s promise to David Ben-Gurion that if Egypt once again tried to shut the Straits of Tiran, the US would organise an international flotilla to break the siege. Corey Gil Shuster https://youtu.be/K3Tjk0vlC6M? J-TV https://youtu.be/wUo9rsVCacQ? Travailing Israel https://youtu.be/XkrG9orO_kk? Unpacked https://youtu.be/DJ_eg-imPMk?
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The Need for Self-Reflection within Muslim Communities
While it is important not to vilify all Muslims (They may be wrong in many views but they are our fellow humans), it is equally crucial for Muslim communities to engage in critical self-reflection regarding certain beliefs and practices that may contribute to conflict and misunderstanding. The reality is that a significant minority if not majority estimated at 10-20% or in many cases 90%+ may hold radical views that are inconsistent with the principles of peace and coexistence in the contemporary world. The ideological, spiritual, lifestyle diversity within Muslim World should not overshadow the need to address the more extreme factions that threaten both Muslim and non-Muslim societies. In many areas, particularly where religious, political and sectarian strife is rampant, radical ideologies may gain traction among disillusioned youths. This calls for an internal acknowledgment that simply dismissing these factions as a minority does not absolve the larger community from confronting the underlying issues contributing to extremism. For example, There have been numerous opportunities for peaceful resolutions to significant conflicts, such as the Israeli-Palestinian situation. Leaders like Yahya Sinwar, despite receiving medical aid and support from Israel, declined to engage in meaningful dialogue in the past, which raises questions about the commitment to peace within certain factions of the Muslim community. Moreover, Pakistan's historical posture toward India which is often articulated through the doctrine of "bleed India with a thousand cuts" reveals a troubling inclination toward aggression rather than partnership. The belief among some Muslims that their religion conveys superiority has contributed to violence and terrorism. The tendency to resort to violence in the name of faith can create a narrative that exacerbates existing tensions. Muslim superiority syndrome and victim syndrome both must be acknowledged by the greater Muslim world. Successful Muslim-majority nations like Turkey and the United Arab Emirates illustrate that secular governance and modern values can lead to prosperity and social stability. However, this transition is often met with resistance from more conservative (who are mostly higher in number) factions that cling to religious zealotry. The reluctance to fully embrace secularism and modernity can stymie progress and lead to increased internal and external conflict.
The Need for Self-Reflection within Muslim Communities
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The UAE is not secular. They’re only going to change when it benefits them. Can Progress, Peace and Islam co-exist? https://youtu.be/6HdUIXnGgOE Why Islamic Countries Are Doomed to Fail? https://youtu.be/qgwYpAkKczU How blaming the West leaves Muslim society behind https://youtu.be/QvkIAjhK-Aw Explore the complexities of political alliances and the threat of Islamic fascism https://youtu.be/36xjws1rUl0 ex-muslims Haris Sultan and Armin Navabi discuss the intricacies of the Palestinian issue and double standards https://youtu.be/dYXzQAzGlQE
Understanding the Stakes: Islamism, Israel, Ideology, and the West's Future
Abandoning Israel won’t bring peace. It ignores the conflict’s true nature: an ideological clash, not a land dispute. Remember the 1930s? When the world hesitated as Nazis annexed Austria and invaded Poland, catastrophe followed. Today’s appeasement would repeat that error. Withdraw support, and extremist ideologies surge. ISIS’s rise after Iraq’s collapse proved this. Islamists exploit vacuums to spread terror globally. Imagine an Israeli defeat. It wouldn’t end the threat; it would reignite the expansionist zeal of past Islamic empires, like the Ottomans at Vienna or the Umayyads in Spain. This isn’t speculation it’s their stated doctrine. The doctrine of Dar-ul-Islam and Dar-ul-Harb. Iran chants "Death to America" while targeting Israel as the "Little Satan." Remove that frontline, and the West becomes the main target. The thing is this conflict represents a broader civilizational struggle. Numerous secular and liberal Identitarian Muslims support the Muslim cause, demonstrating that this is a multifaceted issue. The West must recognize that Islam, with a history spanning 1,400 years, is entrenched and not going away easily. Understanding the adversary is crucial. The historical struggle against Islam has persisted since the faith's inception, as seen in pivotal moments such as the Battle of Tours, the Umayyad invasion of Iberia, and the Rashidun wars against the Byzantines. While there have been periods of coexistence between Muslims and non-Muslims, these times often came with significant limitations; non-Muslims often faced the jizya tax, which relegated them to a subordinate status, marking them as second-class citizens. This historical context reveals that coexistence was not equal but rather a negotiated subjugation. For the Muslim civilization to succeed, it would have to subsume or eliminate the West, including Europe, China, India, Russia, and even Africa, leveraging its central geographic position. Historically, the Muslim civilization thrived when non-Muslim powers were embroiled in internal conflict. The Sassanids and Byzantines weakened themselves through continuous wars, creating an opportunity for Muslim Arabs to expand their control through military force.
Understanding the Stakes: Islamism, Israel, Ideology, and the West's Future
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The only way to get someone to abandon a luxury belief, is for it to no longer be a luxury for them to believe it.
Something I wrote Comparing U.S. and Israeli Jews
Bad times create strong people, strong people create good times, good times create weak people, weak people create bad times, bad times create weak people. 81% of all Jews alive today live in America or Israel. 39% of all Jews in America, and 42% of all Jews in Israel. American Jews, are mostly the decedents of the most poorest, most powerless Jews of Europe. They are the Jews whose ancestors first felt the effects of an increasingly genocidaly antisemitic Europe, and where the first Jews to reach the conclusion that they must flee. Most American Jews, are the decedents of Jews who came to America, before the 1925 immigration quota. Israeli Jews, are the last surviving Jews of three continents that have genocided or ethnically cleansed themselves of almost all of their Jews. Most Israeli Jews, 90% of Israeli Jews, are the descendants of refugees who had no where else to go, but to come together, fight together for their survival, and build a place in their indigenous land, where they could finally stop dying, when no such place was available to them. The bad times of the most poor, most powerless Jews in Europe before, during and in the immediate aftermath of WW1, this is what created the strong American Jews of Emma Lazarus and Anna Rosenberg, who created the single most strongest and thriving Jewish Diaspora in history. And these good times of American Jews, the most privileged Jewish Diaspora, this created some of the most profoundly naive, and weakest, Jews today. The good times of the wealthiest Jews of Europe, this created the naive Jews who were the last to understand they needed to flee, and then faced immigration quotas at every turn. Similarly the Jews of MEANA (which was historically less antisemitic than Europe) did not need to really start to flee, until all the Jews of Europe where desperately trying to flee but with no where to go. This most tragic moment of Jewish history, is what gave birth to the strongest Jews like Shimon Peres, in modern Jewish history, who rose up from the ashes of the Holocaust, declared their independence while under the fire of the Egyptian army hellbent on their annihilation, only to survive and emerge as the first sovereign Jews who were masters of their own fate for the first time in almost 2,000 years.
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The two videos by Haviv Rettig Gur that really inspired me to wright this were: The Lost History of American Jews (45min) https://youtu.be/izPkLQNRZDA Israeli Jews: the last surviving Jews across three continents. (1hour) https://youtu.be/lf9-2yyLTgA ^Those 2 videos are an invaluable resource.
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@Amir Ellert when it comes to American Jews being the Jews who are most likely to believe that the best way to not get killed, is to convince ppl that they shouldn’t want them to be killed, although antiZionist American Jews are more extreme then the Zionist American Jews… the average American Zionist Jew is much closer to antiZionist American Jews than they are to an Israelis. To the average American Jew who loves Israel, the safest thing Israel can do, is whatever will make ppl the least likely to hate Israel. Like most American jews, really do believe it is more dangerous for Israel if the Islamic republic hates Israel for stopping them from enriching uranium, then if the Islamic republic is enriching uranium.
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