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Paint booth floor exhaust and water drainage
Does anyone know if paint booths that exhaust through floor grates typically have a water drain integrated into the lowest point of the exhaust pit as well? Are there paint booths where you can rinse down the floor, or possibly even the walls, with a water hose? I’m trying to plan my booth and have limited knowledge of how some of the higher-end, permanent setups are designed and built.
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Are you looking to buy one or build one? I build my own simple booth with a downdraft ventilation system using box fans and a crude duct made of 1” foam board to exhaust overspray out a window in my shop. Not fancy, but it works fairly well. I generally vacuum it with a shop vac now and then, but I did put plastic under the floor and I have hosed it down lightly a few times to keep dust down and the water evaporates fairly quickly from under the floor if the fans are left running for a while.
Resume feature?
Is there a way to “resume” in the classroom? Other online education platforms I have used have a resume feature that takes you right to where you left off. I haven’t found a way to do that in Skool and it is tedious having to navigate to the last video when resuming the training.
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@Aaron Jokela Yes, finding where I am isn’t hard, but I have to go to the classroom, scroll down to the first incomplete section and open that and then scroll down looking for the next section lacking a checkmark. It would be great if the home page had a “resume” button like other apps that takes you immediately to where you left off. Just one of those small things that makes an app more efficient.
Order of cleaning
I just watched the video less on preparation and see that you recommend solvent cleaner before water based cleaner (alcohol, etc.). Most other places I have watched recommend the opposite order, water based cleaner first and then solvent based cleaner right before spraying. I am fighting fish eyes and have always wiped with alcohol last, but that also with water borne paints. I am now spraying Axalta solvent base paint and am wondering if that might be more compatible with a solvent being the last thing on the panel. I am going to try another test panel and reverse my order and see if that helps. I am pretty sure the contamination is on the panel and not in the air system, but I am trying to rule out everything as best I can and got to wondering if the order of cleaning might be different for a solvent base paint rather than a water based single stage paint.
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I am also painting aluminum which adds the additional complication of needing acid etching and then either Alodine or in my case I’m using the Axalta non-chromate epoxy pre-treatment. I just sprayed the pre-treatment on two test panels, one cleaned first with Sprayway and then wax and grease remover and the other cleaned first with wax and grease followed by Sprayway. The good news is that the pretreatment film looks pristine as sprayed, but it is fairly slow drying/curing so I will see how it looks in the morning. At this point I see no difference between the panels which supports your experience that order doesn’t matter. I also used microfiber towels this time rather than the paper wipes I have used previously (wipes made for paint prep, not just paper towels), but paper nonetheless.
Even the best laid plans go wrong
Last week I sprayed a bunch of stuff that came off the gun looking absolutely perfect. The kind of finish that makes you stand there for a minute just staring at it. So I walked out for about 30 minutes. Came back, opened the door, looked at my panels and my stomach dropped. Fish eyes. Everywhere. All over the hood, all over everything I had just sprayed. Bad ones too, not little baby ones you can hide under a buff. If you've ever had this happen you know the feeling. Total dumpster fire. Kind of like Kevin dropping the pot of chili at the office Christmas party. That's exactly how I felt walking through that door. What I think actually happened: I'd been running a space heater near the booth to keep things warm. My best guess is somebody sprayed WD40 near it at some point, or got some on it. As the heater warmed up over the session, those silicones cooked off and drifted onto my wet clear. Fish eye city. I was running Wanda 2100 LV that day. Good clear, but it didn't stand a chance against silicone contamination floating in the air. Most guys would panic here and start sanding everything back to base. Don't do that. There's a way better route and it's called flow coating. The basic idea: let the contaminated clear fully cure, block sand it dead flat, then lay fresh clear over a perfectly flat foundation. The new clear self levels into a glass finish and you skip the cut and buff entirely. Let everything cure for two to three days. The hood was the worst panel so I started there to get the hardest one out of the way first. First pass was 600 grit. I needed the coarser paper because the clear was still a touch soft and 800 was giving me painted pigtails, those annoying little curly cues you get when sandpaper grabs soft clear. 600 cut through clean. Wiped it down with a microfiber. Degreased. Then I went back over the whole panel with 800 grit and got it sanded out properly. Looked like a matte mess at that point, which is exactly what you want. If you can still see gloss anywhere, you're not flat yet.
Even the best laid plans go wrong
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I am fighting the same problem now trying to paint an airplane using Axalta products. Getting terrible fish eyes in the epoxy primer. I don’t think it is my air system as the fish eyes are not uniformly distributed on the panels and I have had this problem in the past when spraying waterborne products. The only time my air system was opened was a few months ago when I re-activated the beads in my desiccant dryer. I am wondering if the beads could have picked up grease or something from the oven while I was heating them on a cookie sheet. I am going to buy fresh beads and replace them just in case. My first batch of parts was washed with an aviation specific water-based cleaner, etched with an aviation specific phosphoric acid solution and then washed and rinsed before being dried with compressed air. I then wipe the aluminum down with 91% isopropyl alcohol right before (well, after a few minutes to let the alcohol flash off) tack rag and spray. I then thought maybe the solvent based Axalta paint needed a cleaning with a solvent degreaser rather than just alcohol. So, I bought a gallon of that and used it to clean the second batch of parts, but still did the alcohol wipe down before spraying. Same thing happened and this time I had two long arcs that repelled the paint. So, I am now thinking I either didn’t solvent clean thoroughly enough as the arcs looked like a rag swipe, or the alcohol wipe is causing issues or maybe something is coming off of the tack cloth. I am getting ready to do my third batch of parts and this time plan to clean twice with solvent and not do the alcohol wipe and see how that goes. I am running out of ideas as to what to do differently. My gun is well cleaned after every session and my air system is pretty robust with a coalescing filter at the air tank exit (5 HP, 60 gallon, two-stage compressor) which almost never has any water in it. The system then goes 12’ straight up in 3/4” copper, runs almost 80 feet in 3/4” copper to my paint booth, comes down 10’ to another set of filters and a desiccant dryer. I’ve never seen water in the filter at the paint booth and my desiccant beads lasted several years of occasional spraying so I don’t think any moisture is getting through.
3M cartridges
Hello, I’m new here and this is my first post. I am painting an airplane (homebuilt) using Axalta AF400 series paint (AF403 packaged white to be specific) and I am pretty sure it contains isocyanates. I have been using a respirator with 3M 6003 cartridges, but have read a few things recently that claim that no cartridge is really adequate for isocyanates and that a forced fresh air respirator is needed. Anyone here more expert in the PPE field than me who can comment? I have posed this question to my Axalta paint supplier, but haven’t received an answer. I suspect this may be a question they will dodge given liability concerns. I looked at the Hobby Air systems and they aren’t super expensive. Looks like I could get one with a full hood for well under 1 AMU. AMU = Aviation Monetary Unit which is $1,000. Pilots and airplane owners use AMUs as it sounds better to tell your wife that something only cost 2 AMUs rather than 2 grand. 😂
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@Aaron Jokela That is an interesting option and even less expensive than the Hobby Air products. How do you bring this into your paint booth? I didn’t see any hose bulkhead passthrough fittings at their web site.
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I heard back from both my local Axalta distributor and they said that most of their costumer shops use the 3M organic vapor cartridge respirators. They did say that it was something of a good, better and best scenario and that forced fresh air is the best solution, but also the most expensive and the most cumbersome to use when painting. 3M replied and referred me to their 6000 series mask with 6001 cartridge and P95 prefilter, which is basically what I use now. They also said their forced air products were suitable, but neither the Axalta distributor nor 3M said that forced air respirators were mandatory for spraying isocyanates. So, still somewhat muddy water. 3M also provided me this link as an additional reference. https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1547620O/paint-hazards-tdb-fm.pdf
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Matthew Whiting
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I am a fairly inexperienced painter and am about to paint a homebuilt airplane that I am in the final stages of building.

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