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Question about the velocity of money
I have a question for Dr. Keen. If the velocity of the US dollar is less than 2, and the average person using the currency is living paycheck to paycheck, spending all of their income every 2 weeks, wouldn't that mean that the volume of the money supply must be inordinately high to sustain the average citizen? This seems very puzzling to me, and I'd be curious to hear some discussion about that. Thank you.
1 like • Aug '25
@Demetrios Gizelis I am very worried about the people in cities ~ and think that local hybrid solutions are the way toward making the capitalist system obsolete. My dream would be to see cities adopt local currencies designed to rebuild local commons, and begin freeing people from the control of oligarchs. I would love to see Steve's Ravel tool used in modeling the effectiveness of a new kind of system that would help support making a case for new models for our local representatives to consider. It is so hard to start a conversation with policy folks about new visions. The best way to prove the fallacies in the old model would be to design a new ones that would replace our current broken system.
0 likes • Aug '25
@Steve Keen I think one important way to raise visibility on your modeling tool could be having it used to create a successful pilot program that exposes the erroneous thinking of our policy makers. Universal Basic Income is an idea with a lot of energy behind it currently, which I believe is the most fertile leverage point for moving us forward. Our mayor is a member of a guaranteed income group. State and local governments who have no say in how money is created or circulated are increasingly suffering from the flaws in capitalism. We've arrived at the point where local communities need to issue complementary currencies to meet local needs since the policy makers have lost touch not only with sound economic principles, but also what is actually happening within our communities. Ravel, along with the review and insights of respected economists, could be the missing piece that encourages our local leaders to take the bold step of designing local currencies that actually meet the needs of our communities, and show the flaws in our current 'for profit' system. I have been wrestling with a local currency design. This local currency would be accepted by the city for any taxes or fees, and would be spent into existence in 2 ways: first by paying folks who are rebuilding the community commons by reclaiming blighted properties into land trusts for local housing and commercial space, and secondly as a UBI for those folks living within the community owned properties who are paying their rent to the community. Ravel would be an important tool not only for assistance in designing the system, but also to demonstrate to our local leaders the viability of these ideas. Local leaders are very afraid of new ideas like this and demonstrating their effectiveness would be an important part of launching a pilot program.
The Green new deal chewed over by Steve and Friends
I do recommend this episode: Robert C. Hockett joins this week as a special guest. Robert is an American lawyer, law professor, and policy advocate. He holds two positions at Cornell University (the Edward Cornell Professor of Law at Cornell Law School and a Professor of Public Affairs), is senior counsel at investment firm Westwood Capital, LLC, and was a Fellow at The Century Foundation think tank. As of 2019, he is advising Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the Green New Deal. https://www.youtube.com/live/nkYWHhf2Z-M?si=4ztw8yjyBDUuzr36 The questions are: how can we rig the economy so it enables all enterprises private and public to run green, and is that even possible? He definitley thinks we can rig the economy, but what about the ways and means? My take on this is that if you define technology as "The capability to meet human needs" rather than "clever machines" it is a resounding yes! Now, I am fascinated by the prospect of swapping out all fossil and land-degrading shit methods, and removing the shit social structures that are structurally violent and non-inclusive. Where are those alternatives? I'd love to discuss 1) Climate. Main drivers are the mobility needs. What do you replace that with? You need to think mobility, not car, as that is too narrow. For example, if you reduce demand for mobility, and then reduce need for individual solutions. Next human need is heating from electricity. 2) Water: Main drivers are drinking water and sewage. Breaks the planetary boundary for P and N by about 50% contribution. 3) Food and forestry: are nearly 80% responsible for breaking the planetary boundaries on land use. Can we feed ourselves and get fuel fiber and food from forests without breaking the boundary? BY the way the latest on the boundaries....https://globe.ku.dk/newslist/2023/six-of-nine-planetary-boundaries-now-exceeded/
0 likes • Dec '23
@Alwyn Lewis if we really believed in our founding documents things would be very different ~ free speech would not have criminalized talking about communism, and free markets would not have allowed for assassinating leaders of countries that sought to nationalize their own property so we could have banana republic prices on other peoples resources... all we need to do is hold people accountable for the things we profess to believe in
0 likes • Dec '23
@Alwyn Lewis the UK doesn't have one? Not sure if that makes it easier or harder actually. Amending a constitution seems formitable, tho i think it isn't very clear on money creation
Money's role in the modern world
I think the role of money needs closer examination in order to inform the design of a sustainable economy. In my grandmother's day it may have been sufficient to simply define money as a medium of exchange, with the government's role to stabilize its value. However we live in a very different world now, one in which we can no longer ignore our interdependence. We've evolved from a more self-sufficient agrarian society into a complex interdependent urban culture in which most of our work involves maintaining the infrastructure we all rely on. In earlier times when most of the goods we needed were made by individuals, money could simply be used as a tally for tracking our exchanges. However in our densely populated urban world money is the tool we use to orchestrate our collective efforts, and to provision folks with the space and resources to live. In an agrarian society the folks who thrived were those who were most attuned to the rhythms of nature, however in our modern world those who thrive are the ones most attuned to the rhythms of the market. Markets have become the social ecosystem that sustains our lives. While natural ecosystems have evolved over millennia with life as an emergent property, envisioning our social ecosystem is still gestating. If we consider money as a public utility that orchestrates our collective efforts, then we can recognize that how money is created and redeemed for reuse defines the culture of a society. I'm remembering a scene from the movie 'Why We Fight' in which a woman is working in a bomb making factory saying I'd rather be making toys for children, but this is the only job I could find. The economy is our social operating system. It defines how we share the​ common resources of this planet, how we value each other and our collaborative efforts, and ultimately it is a major factor shaping the goals of our society. Currently our social operating system is out of balance with natural ecosystems as well as the nurturing of what is best in our human nature.
2 likes • Dec '23
Thanks for the link ~ I'm looking forward to leaning more about Peter Barnes. I love the title, rebuilding the commons is what I think we need to be focusing on. I'm not so much keen on the idea of 'restructuring a free market' as creating new complementary market spaces that protect local communities from being colonized by the capitalist system. Much of my thinking comes from Silvio Gesell, who felt that all rentier income should go to the public rather than to any individual. In his view property would be held in a community commons with all land rent going to the community, and money should depreciate at least as fast as average consumables to remove its privileged position of commanding interest in the market. So for example by taxing money storage you encourage folks who have excess to loan it to those who need it at little or no interest simply to shelter their money from taxation. It's also important to understand how money has been used as a colonizing tool to extract wealth and resources from communities. So books like 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' or 'Underground Empire: How America Weaponized the World Economy' are important to consider. Rebuilding a commons that is protected within land trusts is an important part of designing local currencies imo.
2 likes • Dec '23
@Richard Corin I'm looking forward to reading more of this article. I love this quote "Yet history has convinced me that representative government can’t adequately protect the interests of ordinary citizens." I also think representative government needs to be replaced. As the saying goes ~ power attracts the worst & corrupts the best. There needs to be an upper limit on the amount of wealth or power any individual can claim, and at the same time all people should have more agency in impacting their communities. I think we've evolved past the point of using representative government for the same reason we've passed the notion of seeing money as simply a tally for exchange. Hierarchical control cannot work on large scale complex dynamic systems, and we've passed the scale of being effectively managed by our current governments. I think complexity theory will play an important role in defining what I call a moral economy, in which we all have greater agency within our communities. I think a more democratized governance can be designed within a monetary system that uses participatory budgeting and rebuilds the community commons.
Donations to help start The Keen Institute
ATTN Rebel Economists: Thank you for supporting me in my half-a-century fight for the truth against deluded mainstream economists. Feel free to help us win the fight sooner than later, by donating here: donate.profstevekeen.me Because Neoclassical economists are the gatekeepers for government funding for economic research, I never received a research grant during my 30-year academic career. That imbalance is, if anything, even worse today: Neoclassicals get the prestigious universities and the research funding, rebels like me are relegated to third-rate universities with zip funding. In this sense, the fight for truth in economics is a classic David vs. Goliath struggle. So we need your help in this fight against mainstream economic fantasists. If I could secure annual funding of $1 Million or more, I could establish a research centre that would enable myself and 6-8 other essential economic rebels--including several non-mainstream economists, one mathematician, and two computer programmers--to work together to develop the complete alternative paradigm we need to replace Neoclassical economics. I also hope that my Ravel© software--which you'll all receive in this course--will generate the millions a year needed for a juggernaut of a centre for realistic economics--The Keen Institute. This would allow me to hire not only the researchers I need, but also the support staff needed to get the word out. I've benefited enormously from linking up with Jordan and his Highest Paid Creator team (https://www.highestpaidcreator.com/home570623): I could never have reached as many people as are signing up to these lectures on my own. If Ravel is a commercial success, I could hire the sort of support team I need--marketing, media, etc.--as well as the 20 or so researchers who would be my dream team for building a realistic economics. So please donate your time to me as a user of Ravel, so that my development team can learn from user experience with the software and make it even more powerful and easy to use. And in the meantime, any penny that you afford to donate at donate.profstevekeen.me will help my Economic Debunkers team (because we're on a shoe-string budget as it is). Thank you to you all for your support
1 like • Nov '23
Hello Steve, it appears I don't have a good email address for you. I wonder you be interested in speaking with a local radio host, Marc Steiner? There are a lot of universities here in Baltimore, and I wonder if Marc could be helpful in getting a panel discussion to share your modeling tools with local academics. Thanks, Jill vjillh@gmail.com
The superorganism - got parasites!
I highly recommend the Steve and Friends chatshow with one of the experts on the superorganism. It sort of explains what happened when humans went from basically tribes, to feudal arrangements to cities to global economy. It represents a challenge in modelling it for systems thinking economists, they talk a little of the maths involved and insights. https://www.youtube.com/live/Wopoc4csxFc?si=DDfIkBELG72fGvQY HOWEVER Having seen that one you have to watch the interview with Jordan Petersson. He speaks of how society can be literally taken over by predatory psychopaths who exploit the fact that most people are nice and kind and helpful. In fact, the nicer and kinder, the more of a potential victim you are and useful to the cause. https://youtu.be/6uNIfIe0wgE?si=5LjZEf9sBuSXpGer My take: The reason things don't work as most people think they should is because society is infected. Like all parasitised organisms, it is hard to shake them off. In the case of mankind we need to be hard, aggressive, determined and wary. We need to develop a culture that makes it hard for these psychopaths to get into the system. And a culture that once infected, has mechanisms for expulsion. Remember Hinton axiom #2: you can do good things with bad systems and bad things with good systems.
2 likes • Oct '23
@Alwyn Lewis yes ~ i think our economy is our social operating system. defining a moral monetary system is fundamental to having a moral social order
1 like • Oct '23
@Alwyn Lewis i absolutely agree. our current system is very depressing ~ it's hard not to shut down entirely in the face of this nightmare
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@jill-harrison-6216
I'm a retired computer programmer living in Baltimore Maryland. I'm interested in Silvio Gesell's ideas for a demurrage currency.

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