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More Tartine testing…
May 2nd experiment… 2 batch’s of dough mixed and gluten developed together but split into separate bulk fermentation vessels after gluten development was complete. Batch #1 will be risen to 35% and batch #2 will rise 45%. The flour is King Arthur bread flour and King Arthur whole wheat flour. King Arthur is not as strong of flour compared to the High Gluten flour I’ve been using. I think the high gluten flour is giving me a tighter crumb than King Arthur bread flour will give me at the same hydration. Formula: 100/75/2/20 DDT: 78°~82°f Recipe… 4 loaves 2000g bread flour 200g whole flour 1600g warm water… 100g held back to dissolve salt to be added after Fermentolyse 400g Hank 48g Total weight: 4248g 4:53pm: Hank met the flour. Mixed all flour, 1500g warm water and 400g Hank to a shaggy mass. Bench rest until 6:00pm. 6:00pm: added the 48g salt and 100g of water. Incorporating them using the Rubaud mixing method… just enough to fully mix everything in properly. Bench rest 30 minutes. 6:30pm: slap and folds until the dough became a smooth, shiny cohesive mass. Divided the dough into 2 equal portions and put them into separate bulk fermentation vessels. Both are 82°f. Moved both vessels to the heating pad thats set at 80°f. I tried to work the dough as little as possible to get it to the point of passing the windowpane test. This dough will not need any further gluten development folds during bulk fermentation. The fermentation process will take care of everything else while it’s raising the dough to 35% for batch #1 and 45% for batch #2. I’m expecting the 35% loaf to get a higher oven spring but a little tighter crumb than the 45% loaf. That I’m suspecting will be a little wider but have a more open crumb. I will bake 1 loaf from each batch today… same day loaves. I’ll put the other loaf from each batch in the fridge for overnight cold proofing. I like to see and taste the difference of same day loafs vs overnight cold proofed loafs.
More Tartine testing…
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@Judy Lyle whole wheat helps but the dark rye is the fermentation booster.
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@Sandy Chong if you are not going to be baking very much it’s more convenient to keep your starter in the fridge. Just take it out the day before you are going to use it and feed it so it’s strong. If you keep it in the fridge feed it every 2 weeks even if you aren’t going to use it. That keeps it healthy.
Sourdough Baking
So I tried to make a sourdough loaf using Henry's white bread recipe. It doesn't have an ear, and I'm noy sure what I've done wrong. My guess is I didn't bulk ferment long enough, even though I let it rise for 9 hours. It was cold in my kitchen, temp around 69 F. What do you think?
Sourdough Baking
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@Christopher Donahue I suggest you determine how much you need for your dough to rise before you start mixing it… plan your dough from mixing all they way through bulk fermentation and when you are going to bake the dough. Same day or overnight? Then realized the vast majority of problems happen during bulk fermentation. So concentrate on not under proofing or over proofing your dough. Being able to accurately monitor how much your dough has risen during bulk fermentation will eliminate most problems. I use a straight sided bulk fermentation vessel that allows me to accurately monitor the percentage of rise through the entire process. I mark the starting point the dough is at when I put it in the vessel before there’s been any rise. Then I measure up the side of the vessel and mark the exact spot my dough needs to rise to before I end bulk fermentation… 30/35/40/45/50/60/70%. So once it rises to that predetermined line… bulk fermentation is over… no guesswork. This makes time irrelevant. Then that little $20 heating pad my dough is sitting on has the ability to reduce your bulk fermentation time by 50% too.
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@Christopher Donahue “It was close to double in size” I never let my dough rise more than 50%. I just final shaped 2 loaves from a batch of 80% hydration dough that I’m cold proofing overnight in the fridge. I kept the dough at 80°f from mixing with warm water and keeping it on the heating pad set at 80°f… so I stopped bulk fermentation once the dough had risen 27%. Just because I stopped bulk fermentation doesn’t mean the dough stops fermenting. Entering the fridge at 80°f it will be many hours before the yeast goes dormant… so it continues rising while it’s in the fridge, slower but it continues. I need that dough to have lots of energy left for the oven so I’ll get a good oven spring, ears, an open crumb and some of those pretty blisters.🤷‍♂️
I’m still fascinated by the Tartine Country loaf…
I’m modifying my process to try to duplicate their extraordinary crumb… I’m not there yet but I’m getting closer. I’ve reduced the inoculation to 20%. I’ve lowered the temperature of the dough during bulk fermentation. I’ve reduced the early gluten development. I’ve extended the bulk fermentation time. I’ve increased the percentage of rise before ending bulk fermentation. I’m cold proofing all Tartine like dough. I’m getting closer to having my version of their extraordinary bread. I need to open this crumb more. The crumb is softer now and feels like the Tartine loaf in my mouth. I just need to open the crumb a little more. I’ve been using my new High Gluten flour that’s a stronger flour than King Arthur bread flour. So I just got home from buying some KA just to see if that will help.
I’m still fascinated by the Tartine Country loaf…
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I didn’t realize they don’t retard it.🧐 I’m using 20% inoculation with a strong starter and trying to keep the dough at 80°f throughout the entire process. I’m ending bulk fermentation at a 45% rise. It’s taking me 6 hours to get that rise.
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Today I was out of King Arthur bread flour so I used the High Gluten flour that is a stronger flour than KA. So I increased the hydration to 80% and reduced the desired rise of 45% down to 42%. I also reduced the aggressiveness of my gluten development considerably trying to get a more open crumb. Formula: 100/80/2/20 - 1200g total flour. Recipe: 2 loaves 1000g high gluten flour 100g WW flour 860g warm water… holding back 60g water to dissolve salt 200g Hank 24g salt Total weight = 2184g I do all the mixing and gluten development before putting the dough into the bulk fermentation vessel, so I don’t have to interrupt the fermentation process during bulk. Plus it gives me a couple of hours I’m not tethered to my dough. The desired dough temperature throughout the process is 78~82°f for no other reason than I can speed up the process without reducing the quality of the dough. The $20 heating pad I use to regulate the dough temperature is well worth it. These 2 loaves took 6 hours from the time Hank got into the flour… because of the strength of my starter and keeping the dough warm. This batch of dough produced the 2 loaves on the left in this picture. The crumb is getting lighter and more open… that’s what I’m after.
When Things Don’t Go According to Plan
This was the most Monday-ish Tuesday I’ve had in a few weeks! Work is being very “worky” with me logging almost 30 hours in just two days so far. I needed some stress relief this morning after waking at 3:03 AM, so I decided to mix a SD discard loaf around 7:30. The plan was to add salt at 8:30, then four sets of stretch and folds every 30 minutes, at 9:00, 9:30, 10:00 and 10:30. Well…the bottom fell out of the day pretty early. I got the salt added at 10:15, a round of S&F at 10:45, the next set at 12:30. My dough sat on the counter until 4:00! This wasn’t going to be a loaf of bread, so I made the executive decision to shift gears. I had purchased a 14” cast iron pan from Walmart a couple months ago to use for focaccia, and today would be its inaugural use. This pan was less than $20. I added some olive oil to the pan, plopped the dough in it, dimpled and covered for an hour, preheated the oven to 425, added basil, oregano, Parmesan and mozzarella. Baked it for 30 minutes, and this is one of the best focaccias I’ve ever made. I could’ve baked it longer, but this girl was hungry. I grabbed a slice and headed back to my office. I’m so thankful I’ve learned to shift and pivot when it comes to baking. All of this to say, don’t give up your dough! It might seem like it’s all going sideways, but you can shift and pivot and end up with something delicious!! Happy Baking!!
When Things Don’t Go According to Plan
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Great save Tracy. It’s a comforting feeling when a batch of dough goes sideways on you and you’re far enough along in your learning to know it… and know what your options are.
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I didn’t make these today but I play with baguettes occasionally. I received this really fantastic Emile Henry baguette baker as a gift recently. So I’ve made a few stabs at it.
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Just an old retired guy that likes making sourdough bread…👨‍🍳

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