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Qi Gong & Martial Art As Yoga

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Exploring a subset of movements from Internal Martial Arts designed to free the joints, enhance flexibility and strength, and heal the body

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A Philosophical Query
So... I think I mentioned that I did my PhD in philosophy, and it happens that Bagua Zhang is (sometimes?) related to the I Ching, or the Book of Changes, which I studied a bit some time ago. Does anyone in this group know much about this connection? I've read a small amount about it, in an aforementioned primary text on Bagua, but I would be fascinated to go further into the relationship if possible.
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Yes, such an interesting topic, one I have been trying to find some answers to for some time. One of my practices is the Gao Yi Sheng 64 linear set, which arranges the movements according to the eight houses of the Ba Gua. There is a book by Allen Pittman which talks about this arrangement (https://www.allenpittman.com/products/walking-the-i-ching-the-linear-ba-gua-of-gao-yi-sheng/) Energetically, I have been investigating this by throwing the coins, reading the passage and performing the fist or house. If there is a movement in the coins I will link the fist of one trigram to the changing trigram, or an upper technique blended with a lower one. Much like any use of the I Ching, the true magic is in the interpretation- how does this movement change to that? What does that do internally? What does it do emotionally? mentally? It really just opens the I Ching further, another way to bring it into the world. Historically, though, I am not entirely convinced of the accuracy of the connection, as mentioned there is no record of Dong Hai Chuan referring to the art as Ba Gua and it may very well have been added in later. I do believe Gao Yi Sheng was sincere in his connection, but it is extremely subtle to try to figure it out. I guess that's the fun. Anyway, that's my 2 cents- ok maybe 4 cents Thanks for the spark of ideas, and the reading list, running out to get some Hegel now!
I question I posted elsewhere...
Hi. Dropping this here, just for the sake of discussion. A while back I posted an question about W E Fairbairn and bagua, on Dean Franco's podcast. This portion of the iterveiw is the answer... https://youtu.be/LKKXW0u96KU?t=1957
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It is an interesting question, he mentions how difficult it is to separate out what technique might come from what style- using a front kick vs a teep as an example. Bagua of course has a very distinctive movement pattern, and it would be quite obvious if someone were walking the circle or Stealing the Peaches - but in my experience cross training with people who spar consistently, my Bagua technique may not be immediately apparent in the midst of fighting, but I can definitely feel it inside the movement and a trained eye would catch it. Dong Hai Chuan taught other martial artists who had attained a high level in other styles, and thus the method of Bagua was changeable based on physical size, ability, and movement patterns from the beginning, another interesting meaning of "Changing Palms". The cross pollination of styles is a very absorbing subject, thanks for the share!
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Welcome to The Grove! "The martial forest is one familyโ€.ย My hope is that together we can shape the culture and curriculum of this community so that The Grove will come to represent a level of quality and skill of which we can all be proud. I am still building out the space, but there will be free content for Shuai Jiao, Ba Gua, basic gong fu and more. There will also be focused training cohorts starting soon with options including -Liang & Cheng style Bagua Zhang -Beijing Shuai Jiao -Chen Style Tai Ji Quan & Da Bei Quan -Gong Fu basics and Praying Mantis Kung fu -Qi Gong As someone who has either trained with me in the past or expressed interest in learning one of the arts I teach you are here as one of the founding members of the community. You have probably heard me say before that I donโ€™t take myself that seriously, but it take the arts I teach very seriously indeed. In this space I am a teacher, a coach and a fellow martial artist studying as diligently as I can. Reach out with any questions and I look forward to sharing this space with you all. If you donโ€™t mind, please take a moment to leave a comment and let us know a few things about yourself. -name and location -age and previous/current martial arts experience -what you are interested in learning Feel free to add anything else you would like to share. This is your space!
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Hello! Thomas here- a lifelong martial artist with decades long experience in Taiji, BaGua, and Qigong as well as Enshin Karate. Want to connect on the Martial Art as Yoga vibe- energy work , internal cultivation, joint flexibility, and tendon and ligament strength. Be well!
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@Ikli Lim Bagua has so much to offer, and can be so well adapted to all martial art, or a meditative practice for mental and emotional clarity. Wish you well!
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