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What Makes Using This Forum So Hard For Most Of You?
I want to emphasize "most of you" because certainly there are a few of you who seem to be getting value of out of the forum. Good for you! I'm going to try to avoid opinion and just deal with the objective. There's only one post written within a week and it's my post about a coach's hilarious take on teaching what compression is. The next most recent post is also by me. Thyat was a serious question about "bleeding air grit" but not good enough to warrant an answer. Fair enough. This is free, so if my posts aren't good enough, they don't deserve help. I can either learn to write better or I can leave. Maybe I will leave since my last couple posts failed to pass muster for what is considered a worthwhile post here, but I'm not claiming my posts are anything special. At least I try though and I've never descended to a point where I enlisted artificial help to try to improve my writing. What you see is what you get. If that's not good enough, fine. I'll sleep like a baby tonight. I haven't seen anyone here whose posts made me think: "Now that came from a truly profound mind." Yet here we are on a forum for people who take air and turn it into art. No other endeavor leaves an individual so vulnerable, so utterly exposed....yet most of you can't summon the fortitude to write a post, lest it be passed over like my last two were. If you don't mind me offering you some constructive criticism: If the thought of posting here frightens you, develop thicker skin! Music is a business that will eat you alive if you don't have skin like alligator hide. Show business (which incudes singing) isn't looking for people who want it for their career; it's looking for people who must have it for their career because they cannot stand the thought of wasting their life doing anything else. There is a phenomenal difference between "want" and "must." The age-old conundrum in show business is: You can't get a part without an agent but you can't get an agent without a part. Why was that conundrum put there?
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For me, in the beginning, I wanted to post questions and stuff but then I realised there was a point system. I think it was 5 points minimum to start posting. So i waited and moved on to just checking from time to time to see what was the new topic of the week. Then I heard of Draven's situation and understood that he needed more time to get things in order. I have taken his courses and a few lessons with him before joining the forum. And I'm trying to find time out of my busy job to practice the exercises he gave me. Kenny's posts are interesting but I don't think I'm qualified to answer them since I'm like many, not as experienced and not confident in my technique. I've tried 4 different online vocal programs since 2004, and Draven is the only one I've taken more than 1 zoom lesson with. And many of the things he teaches are in the videos of this forum. But now I'm sure things will get better on this forum now that Draven is back.
Could We Have A Grit Technique Critique?
It seems like it's been awhile since we did one of these, where you identify various grit techniques you hear. This is Judas Priest live from 1982. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9PjOhz3FSM At only three seconds in, Rob Halford says: "Hey Memphis"! - Is this motorboat grit? I'm not sure because I know Metallica is sort of the quintessential example of motorboat grit, but here I'm hearing the subharmonics emphasized more than I ever do in Hetfield's vocals. The only time Hetfeild came even close was maybe on ...And Justice For All and he blew put his voice. soon after. Meanwhiule, Halford is going strong at 74 years old! Clearly Halford's using a different, healthier technique than Hetfield was using on ...And Justice. Throughout the spoken intro, what is the grit technique, or grit techniques Halford is using? The spoken intro gets much grittier at 24 seconds into it when he says "The Metal Gods"! Is that Hardcore Bark? I associate Upper Grunt more like what Mick Jagger does on Start Me Up (that was a great critique/explanation you did on that)! If he isn't using Hardcore Bark when he says "The Metal Gods" and it actually is Upper Grunt, what makes Halford's Upper Grunt so much more distorted than Jagger's? MY FAVORITE QUESTION IS COMING UP - PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION IN THE PARAGRAPH BELOW : ) The singing starts at 47 seconds with: "We'd taken too much for granted"- Again, I can't tell if thjis is Upper Grunt of Harcore bark. Is there some sure telltale sing that it is one or the othjer, or is possible for a singer to straddle the line between Upper Grunt and Hardcore Bark? If you only answer one thing I really hope you answered what I asked in the above paragraph. At 52 seconds he sings "And all the time it had GROWN" - I put "grown" in caps because he gets a different,. more gurgly, more distorted sound on that word. How does he get that effect? It sounds so cool! Afterwards, for at least the next minute or so, it sounds like Upper Grunt - there is still nothing as gurgly sounding or as filthily distorted as on "GROWN" at 52 seconds.
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Thank you for defining grinding. I thought grinding happened only in the false folds.
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