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The story of Noah's Ark might need a better theodicy
Lately I’ve been thinking about the moral problems that the Bible often presents. When this topic comes up, the first thing that comes to mind is God’s command to kill the Canaanite children, and although many apologists like William Lane Craig have tried to argue that such an act was morally correct, the most adequate response is to affirm that the text is a hyperbole that does not imply that children actually died in the conquest. However, that problem can be transferred to the flood that occurred in the time of Noah, and although it can also be applied to other cases (such as the death of David’s newborn son or Sodom and Gomorrah), this is simply the clearest example that comes to mind. I want to carry out a process that I like to call “evaluation of theodicies under restricted conditions.” I’ve been thinking about this and I cannot find any that are truly satisfactory, and many of them simply seem like attempts to avoid facing the real problem and to downplay it. I would be especially interested in hearing new responses or stronger versions of existing ones, because so far none seem successful to me. First, I want to clarify the framework I am assuming in order to avoid answers that change the playing field. 1. The flood in the Book of Genesis corresponds to a real historical event (although possibly regional rather than global). 2. The event was caused or intentionally brought about by God. 3. God is morally perfect and omnipotent. 4. The flood was carried out as a punishment for human beings. 5. Children below a certain age do not have full moral responsibility, and therefore are not guilty of wrongdoing. 6. No one who is morally upright would want to kill innocent children when there is a way to avoid it. Under these conditions, I am evaluating theodicies with a very specific criterion: is the flood morally justifiable? The focus of this post is on children because it is easier to empathize with children than with animals or plants, since although they share innocence, there is debate about whether they have souls, suffer, or even consent to death, but the argument could also be extended to them.
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I would present these considerations: 1. For compassion to exist, suffering must exist. The same thing with redemption. 2. God has all foreknowledge of what moral decisions all moral agents will choose in their lives. 3. Consider Genesis 6:5-13 “The Lord saw that the wickedness of humans was great in the earth and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made humans on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out from the earth the humans I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air—for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the sight of the Lord. These are the descendants of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God. And Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight, and the earth was filled with violence. And God saw that the earth was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon the earth. And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence because of them; now I am going to destroy them along with the earth.” Notice the Lord knows that the type of corruption humans are committing is one that constitutes destruction of all humans. The children being involved in this destruction, could be because of this: the immorality from the parents being bled onto the children would have caused them to inevitably grow up to indulge in the same type of immorality as the parents. Therefore God kill’s the children to prevent this, and only allows Noah’s righteous family to live. This is not a decision humans (like us) are permitted to make, because we don’t have for-knowledge like God does. God can see the outcome and make the best decision for the specific situation. Now you could posit that God could have used a method of destruction for the children that involved less suffering. And ultimately that would just boil down to lesser and lesser sufferings until you get to just no suffering.
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@Jorge Enrique Ruiz Castro Thank you for the response. To your first rebuttal, I think what I was trying to get at in quoting Genesis was trying to show this “corruption” being described here is a corruption of a created order. The flood in turn wouldn’t necessarily be a retributive punishment of individual sins that people were committing, but instead a larger, broader judgment. This corruption would have put into question whether or not continuation of that humanity (in the time of Noah) was viable at all. Secondly, the alternative that you posited in your rebuttal (sorry a lot of it was also mentioned in your original post, I just totally forgot) was that God could have raised the children differently, possibly under the care of Noah so that they wouldn’t necessarily need to be killed. The only flaw with this alternative, is that it assumes there were at that time feasible conditions under which those same children would freely avoid the same corruption (kinda going off the first point). If God has foreknowledge of all possible hypothetical outcomes, then it is possible that there existed no such condition in which the children escaped corruption. God couldn’t manufacture this outcome either because it might interfere with free will. And also I don’t think this would be a pre-punishment for future sins, because once again, the context implies we aren’t simply working with individuals who have “sinned” but instead in a context where there is a total collapse in the created order. So the flood would be a prevention of a total collapse of creation involving agents God knows will freely participate in that collapse under any possible conditions. Also I don’t think I would hold to William Lane Craig’s position on Divine Command Theory, but I would hold to his position that Gods act of causing the flood isn’t a “worse” action based on the principle of double effect, because I would argue that it only applies to humans who don’t own life. God owns life, and so it is not a “worse” thing to reset a whole broken system, or “corrupted system” to preserve the created order.
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Shout out to all of you who participated in Dr. Joshua Sijuwade’s call today 🔥 We’ll be having our regular call tonight so I hope to see all of you again. Much to go over. See you then!
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TONIGHT ⚠️
Oh ya 🔥🔥 We’re back on per usual. Excited to continue our conversation about religious epistemology and specifically address how we go about justifying a belief and how that applies to independent study, debate, and evangelism contexts. See you then!
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Unfortunately I won’t be able to make it 😭. I’m helping run a Young Adults event tonight, but I will watch the recording 👍
Am I trippin?
I whenever anyone has said, they are an “agnostic atheist“ it always has struck me as oxymoronic, because atheism inherently has a positive worldview claim that God either definitely does not exist, or probably does not exist, and agnosticism as a worldview claim posits that we can’t know enough to make a positive or negative claim to the proposition of God’s existence. I understand people saying they are “agnostic on certain things”, but when they claim to be an “agnostic atheist” it seems as if it is just a cop out in order to take the burden of proof off of their worldview, so they can just say “I don’t know.” Maybe I’m just misunderstanding or not well read within this area. Any good recommendations on books or papers on this subject?
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@Tim Howard Ok that’s what I thought 😂😂. I’ve had so many atheists arguing so hard that they are that title, it’s been making me feel like I’m going crazy 😭😭
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