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Muslim Youth Leaving Islam
This is something that just recently popped up in my Facebook feed. Thought I would share. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17GdyJmW32/
Japan Rejects Plan to Build Muslim Cemeteries
Japan just did something that will absolutely melt down the “diversity means you must change” crowd: it said no to new Muslim cemeteries. And no, this wasn’t some cartoonish act of intolerance. It was Japan doing what Japan has always done—prioritizing its own laws, land, culture, and environmental realities over imported demands. Let’s start with the obvious problem no one wants to talk about. Japan cremates over 99% of its dead. That’s not a trend; it’s a necessity. The country has limited land, high population density, and centuries-old customs built around cremation. Islam, however, forbids cremation and requires ground burial. That’s not a minor disagreement—it’s a direct collision of incompatible practices. So when activists demand special cemeteries carved out for one religious group, Japan’s answer has essentially been: We’re not rewriting national norms to accommodate foreign customs. Cue the outrage. Some Japanese lawmakers—most notably Mio Sugita and Mizuho Umemura—were blunt about it. Japan will not overhaul its burial practices, zoning rules, or environmental safeguards to meet religious requirements imported from elsewhere. A few even suggested the obvious solution: if cremation is unacceptable, families can choose burial in their country of origin. Shocking, I know—personal responsibility in 2025. At the local level, resistance has been even stronger. Residents have raised concerns about groundwater contamination, land use, and the rapid increase in foreign residents. In other words, the same arguments communities everywhere make when the government proposes something they didn’t ask for. Apparently “listen to locals” only applies until locals say no. Yes, Japan’s Muslim population has grown—roughly 350,000 people as of early 2024, including foreign workers and Japanese converts. And yes, there are only about ten small Muslim cemeteries nationwide, making burial expensive and difficult. That’s unfortunate. But difficulty does not magically translate into entitlement, and scarcity does not obligate the state to restructure itself.
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An Extremely Inconvenient Truth
There’s an extremely inconvenient truth that people keep trying to dodge: Islam isn’t merely a religion—it’s a violent, authoritarian socio-political system cosplaying as theology. And that shouldn’t shock anyone once you look at its founder, Muhammad, whom Muslims are explicitly told is the perfect man and the ideal model for all time. This isn’t coming from “Islamophobes” or Western critics. Everything below comes straight from Islam’s own sources. 𝐒𝐥𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐫-𝐢𝐧-𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐞𝐟 Muhammad didn’t just tolerate slavery—he practiced it. Defeated men were killed; women and children were sold off like livestock. Moral clarity, 7th-century edition. 𝐒𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐓𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐫 When dealing with enemies, Muhammad didn’t limit himself to simple executions. In one particularly charming example, he ordered captured men to have their hands and feet cut off, their eyes gouged out, and then left to die slowly in the desert sun, the Sahih Muslim spells it out: 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑏𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑖𝑚 (𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐻𝑜𝑙𝑦 𝑃𝑟𝑜𝑝ℎ𝑒𝑡). 𝐻𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 (𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑠) 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑓𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑓𝑓 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑒𝑦𝑒𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑢𝑔𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑛, 𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑒𝑑. (Sahih Muslim 4131 -this account is also confirmed by at least three other narrations). Apparently “mercy” had not yet been revealed. At Khaybar, when a town treasurer was suspected of hiding loot, Muhammad ordered him tortured—literally burned—until he nearly died. Once sufficiently grilled, the man was beheaded: 𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑛 ℎ𝑒 [𝑀𝑢ℎ𝑎𝑚𝑚𝑎𝑑] 𝑎𝑠𝑘𝑒𝑑 ℎ𝑖𝑚 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡 ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑢𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑒 𝑖𝑡, 𝑠𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑔𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑙-𝑍𝑢𝑏𝑎𝑦𝑟 𝑏𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑙-𝐴𝑤𝑤𝑎𝑚, “𝑇𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 ℎ𝑖𝑚 𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑙 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑒𝑥𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑠.” 𝑆𝑜 ℎ𝑒 𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑎 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑓𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑒𝑙 𝑜𝑛 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑙 ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑑. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑑 ℎ𝑖𝑚 𝑡𝑜 𝑀𝑢ℎ𝑎𝑚𝑚𝑎𝑑 𝑏𝑖𝑛 𝑀𝑎𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑚𝑎 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑐𝑘 𝑜𝑓𝑓 ℎ𝑖𝑠 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑑.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 764) - This story is also confirmed by Ibn Kathir, vol 3 p. 268. As a bonus horror story, Muhammad then “married” the man’s newly widowed wife the very same day. Romance, Islamic style.
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@Nordic Entrepreneur The context is in the first paragraph. Just as you can't understand Christianity, without Jesus Christ. Buddhism without Buddha, Confucianism without Confucius. You can't understand Islam if you don't understand who Muhammad was.
If Islam Is Violent, Why Are So Many Muslims Peaceful?
This question is a lot like asking, “𝘐𝘧 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘴 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺, 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘦𝘬, 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘰 𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘨𝘢𝘯𝘵, 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘵, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦?” The answer in both cases is painfully obvious: in any religion or ideology, plenty of people profess the creed without actually practicing it. Hypocrites are everywhere. Let’s be honest—hypocrisy is the most ecumenical tradition on Earth. It’s often easier for a Christian to lash out, moralize, or sneer than to forgive. Likewise, it’s far easier for a Muslim to live a normal life—go to work, raise a family, mind their own business—than to strap on a suicide vest or answer a call to jihad. Most people, regardless of faith, prefer peace, comfort, and stability to martyrdom. Shocking, I know. There’s also the issue of belief versus understanding. Many adherents of any religion don’t deeply know their own theology. Islam adds an extra wrinkle here: the emphasis on reciting the Quran in Arabic—often without comprehension—means that devotion can be more about ritual than understanding. The words and sounds are believed to matter spiritually, even if their meaning doesn’t fully register with the reciter. As a result, many Muslims simply aren’t engaging deeply with the more troubling or violent passages at all. Then there’s reality. Especially in the West, Muslims are surrounded by—and often attracted to—Western norms: individual liberty, relative tolerance, economic opportunity, and personal freedom. That’s frequently why they’re here. People who flee authoritarian or theocratic societies generally aren’t eager to recreate the same nightmare in their new home. Peaceful behavior, in that context, isn’t mysterious—it’s rational self-interest. But here’s where libertarians stop pretending this is just an abstract theology seminar. Ideas matter, and numbers matter. As Islam gains greater social and institutional presence—more adherents, more mosques, more “cultural centers,” more political deference—the odds increase that some fraction of believers will start taking the faith’s coercive and violent doctrines seriously. Not metaphorically. Not “out of context.” Literally.
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@Nordic Entrepreneur Islam is not merely a religion. It is a socio-political ideology with an embedded legal and governing system, and its historical and doctrinal foundations are inseparable from violence and coercion. That isn’t conjecture—it’s baked into the source material. Full stop. That reality shouldn’t shock anyone who has actually examined the life of its founder. Muhammad is not just a spiritual figure; he is presented within Islamic texts as a political ruler, military commander, lawgiver, and moral exemplar. His actions, rulings, and conduct are explicitly held up as a model for Muslims to emulate. Former Muslim and Islamic scholar Ali Sina summarized that record bluntly—based not on Western polemics, but on Islam’s own canonical sources. His critique is harsh because the source material is harsh. Sina described his this way: "𝑴𝒖𝒉𝒂𝒎𝒎𝒂𝒅 𝒊𝒔 𝒂 𝒏𝒂𝒓𝒄𝒊𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒔𝒕, 𝒂 [𝒎𝒐𝒍𝒆𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒓], 𝒂 𝒎𝒂𝒔𝒔 𝒎𝒖𝒓𝒅𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒓, 𝒂 𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒓𝒐𝒓𝒊𝒔𝒕, 𝒂 𝒎𝒊𝒔𝒐𝒈𝒚𝒏𝒊𝒔𝒕, 𝒂 𝒍𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒓, 𝒂 𝒄𝒖𝒍𝒕 𝒍𝒆𝒂𝒅𝒆𝒓, 𝒂 𝒎𝒂𝒅𝒎𝒂𝒏, 𝒂 𝒓𝒂𝒑𝒊𝒔𝒕, 𝒂 𝒕𝒐𝒓𝒕𝒖𝒓𝒆𝒓, 𝒂𝒏 𝒂𝒔𝒔𝒂𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒏 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒂 𝒍𝒐𝒐𝒕𝒆𝒓." To put his money where his mouth is, Sina famously offered $50,000 to anyone who could refute his conclusions using Islamic texts alone—Qur’an, Hadith, and accepted biographies. No spin. No apologetics. Just the sources. That challenge has stood for years. The money remains unclaimed. People can insist Islam is “peaceful” all they want—but when doctrine, law, and historical precedent say otherwise, slogans don’t override evidence. Ideologies should be judged by what they teach, command, and produce—not by how uncomfortable that judgment makes their defenders. And if that standard feels unfair, remember: it’s the same one applied to every ideology that demands power over others.
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@Far Seer lets talk about the Crusades because it provide a counter point. In Western academia, popular media, and much of the Islamic world, the Crusades are routinely portrayed as wars of naked aggression—bloody campaigns waged by fanatical Christians against an otherwise peaceful Muslim world. While the Crusades were undeniably brutal, this narrative is historically incomplete and fundamentally misleading. They are better understood not as an unprovoked Christian assault, but as a delayed Western response to centuries of Islamic jihad and territorial expansion. Muslim rule in the Holy Land began in the mid–7th century during the Arab conquests under the second “rightly guided” caliph, Umar, following the capture of Damascus and Jerusalem. These conquests were violent, but after the initial jihad, Christian and Jewish communities were permitted to survive under the restrictive system of dhimmitude. While second-class status was imposed, Christians were generally allowed to continue pilgrimages to their holy sites—an arrangement that proved economically advantageous to the Muslim authorities. This fragile equilibrium began to collapse in the 11th century when control of the Holy Land passed from Arab rulers to Seljuk Turks amid internal Islamic civil wars. The Seljuks pursued a far more aggressive policy. Throughout the latter half of the century, they pushed violently into Byzantine territory, seizing Antioch and much of Anatolia. In 1071, the Byzantine army was decisively crushed at the Battle of Manzikert. The renewed jihad that followed brought widespread abuse, enslavement, robbery, and slaughter of Christians across Asia Minor and the Levant. Christian access to Jerusalem itself—particularly to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, rebuilt under Byzantine patronage after its destruction by Caliph al-Hakim in 1009—was increasingly threatened. It was in this context that Pope Urban II issued his appeal in 1095, calling on Western Christians to aid their Eastern co-religionists. This call, framed as an “armed pilgrimage,” was not originally conceived as a doctrine of Christian holy war. Only later did the idea of crusading evolve into a permanent institution with the emergence of military orders such as the Knights Templar. Notably, the most zealous Crusaders—the Franks—came from regions that had endured centuries of jihad and Muslim raiding along the Franco-Spanish frontier. They knew from lived experience what Islamic expansion entailed.
The Role of RKBA in Deterring Islamic Violence and Tyranny
There’s an uncomfortable topic that many “liberty-minded” discussion groups studiously avoid when talking about Islam—not because it isn’t relevant, but because it terrifies them. The moment you bring it up, the Left is standing by with the pre-written accusation: Islamophobic extremist, possibly armed, definitely dangerous. So the subject gets dodged. That subject is the Right to Keep and Bear Arms—also known as the right to self-defense. In the United States, that right isn’t some vague suggestion or hunting club perk. It’s explicitly protected by the Second Amendment: “𝐴 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑀𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑎, 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑎 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑘𝑒𝑒𝑝 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑎𝑟 𝐴𝑟𝑚𝑠, 𝑠ℎ𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑑.” And before anyone pretends that means “𝒐𝒏𝒍𝒚 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒈𝒐𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒏𝒎𝒆𝒏𝒕,” the Supreme Court already settled that argument. DC v. Heller (2008) and McDonald v. Chicago (2010) affirmed what the plain text already said: this is an individual right of the people. Under President Trump, and continued in many red states since, there has been a push toward Constitutional Carry—meaning you don’t need government permission to exercise a right you already have. My home state of Louisiana is now one of many that recognize this reality, much to the horror of Democrats and the taxpayer-disarmament lobby. And no, I don’t call it “gun control.” Gun control is using both hands. What they’re advocating is taxpayer disarmament—selective, political, and usually enforced on the people least likely to abuse power. 𝗪𝗵𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗦𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱 𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗘𝘅𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀 (𝗛𝗶𝗻𝘁: 𝗜𝘁’𝘀 𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝗛𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴) The Second Amendment serves three purposes. None of them involve deer season. 1. Defense of the United States The U.S. has roughly 330 million people. Over 100 million of them are armed. There are more than 300 million privately owned firearms—enough to arm every adult in the country. Add roughly 14 million hunting licenses issued annually, and you have a population that is not exactly helpless. For perspective: American hunters alone outnumber China’s active-duty military by about seven to one.
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@Francesco Dell'Anna Not exactly. Widespread firearm ownership reduces the likelihood of civil war, not increases it. Why? Because an armed citizenry hangs over government power like a Sword of Damocles. It’s a constant reminder that authority ultimately answers to the people. When citizens are armed, politicians know there’s a hard limit to how far they can push before consequences stop being theoretical. That reality encourages restraint far better than any strongly worded press release or ballot box promise. In short: an armed society isn’t itching for rebellion—it’s insurance against tyranny. And like all good insurance, its real value is that you hope you never have to use it.
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@Francesco Dell'Anna I can see why someone might think that—if they ignore one rather inconvenient reality here in the U.S. Out of the 100+ million firearm owners in this country, well over 95% are Republican, libertarian, or at least conservative-adjacent. In other words, the people who own the guns are not the political Left. The folks pushing to gut constitutional protections are banking on the military to do their dirty work for them… against the very population that’s armed. Minor problem with that theory: most of the military votes Republican. There’s a massive cognitive disconnect baked into leftist thinking here. First, the fantasy that “hunting rifles are useless against a modern military,” as if guerrilla warfare hasn’t been the dominant model of resistance for the last century. Second, the equally magical belief that American service members will just shrug and obediently enforce whatever authoritarian nonsense comes out of D.C., no questions asked. History, voting data, and basic human nature all say otherwise. The Constitution wasn’t written with the assumption that power would always be benevolent—and the Second Amendment wasn’t designed for duck season. It was designed as a reminder: government rules by consent, not force… and it forgets that lesson at its own peril.
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