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How Maffetone low is too slow
I wonder if others face this dilemma. While I believe in the Maffetone method, I find it difficult to follow, now being 83 years old (in a few days). At 180-83 that would leave me running at 97 BPM. But as Maffetone allows, I do add 10 for being in good running condition so 107. Now because I think I am “special” I add another 5 for good measure, so OK 112 BMP. I use 112 as my target. Still, even then it is very difficult to hold that low if my concentration drifts just a little. All my easy runs consist of constantly slowing down again and again. My more natural slow easy pace is at least 120. That’s 23 over. No don’t get me wrong, I wholly support the Method. Benefits are a plenty. Reducing or eliminating caustic systemic and dangerous inflammation, reducing injury, allowing for sufficient recovery from hard efforts, promoting fat burning. And just reducing any anxiety of getting out to door facing a tiring outing, knowing the run will be…you know, easy. But besides running for general health and longevity,, I run to race. Now I agree that avoiding the black whole is a central aspect of training. This may be the most overlooked aspect training for age group races. The black hole is too fast (because it does tire us out but does not increase fitness or promote fat burning). I firmly believe slow training must be slow and easy with hard days really fast and properly spaced and hard (such as tempo runs or intervals etc). Maffetone acknowledges we advanced-age athletes can add some points to the 180 formula. Are there more factors, such as more advanced ages, other outliers such as exceptional VO2max and performance history? The question is, under what scenario might the add-on exceptions increase even more? What other thoughts are out there on this?
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Xavier, thank you for the insight. My age is 10 years older than your brothers yet I also need to add around 20 beats.
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Xavier, well said. Those are exactly my conclusions also.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Anyone running a Turkey Trot tomorrow?
Happy Thanksgiving!
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I signed up for the Tacoma, turkey trot, 5K but have a bad head cold and I’m concerned I may infect other runners. So sadly, I will probably not attend. Especially because many runners there will be around large family, groups of very young and very old.
Turkey Trot Tacoma fun 5K Thanksgiving
Looking forward to a nice flat 5K before cooking the turkey for the family. If it’s like many other races, I will likely be the only M 80+. But I do keep hoping, as in every race, there will be someone else in my age group.
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Herb, my 24:01 5k at 81 years old still stands as the Washington State all-time record.
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Thanks Mark. I’m running around 25 mi per week these days. Taking it fairly easy. Usually doing one Q day, strides and/or track work, each week. Did 2-Q’s until a couple years ago but now find I need more recovery, like around 7 days to fully recover now. The five other running days are very easy jogs. Unless I feel tired, then I may occasionally take another day off.
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John Phillips
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M 83 and still competing 5K to half M. Best 5K time 80+, 24:01. But have slowed significantly in the last three years, 5K now over 28:00.

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