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Does ICM Replace n8n—or Is the Handoff the Real Problem?
I kept seeing versions of this question around the community: does ICM replace an automation platform like n8n, or does it sit on top of it? That sent me down a rabbit hole. I built a fictional lead workflow, broke it in several different ways, and tested the handoff locally. What clicked for me was that we shouldn’t assign entire products to the 60/30/10 layers—we should classify the actual responsibilities. The automation runtime can handle predictable events, API calls, retries, credentials, duplicate protection, and sending. The ICM workspace can make the current stage, relevant context, boundaries, working artifacts, and review path visible. Then the model handles the smaller piece that actually requires judgment. The biggest lesson was that the handoff needs to work in both directions. “A lead arrived—go look” isn’t much of a contract. A proper task packet and a structured return status made missing information, ambiguity, retries, and human review much easier to route without guessing. I put this video together partly to keep experimenting with Remotion, my paper puppet, and lip-syncing—but the community discussion gave me a genuinely useful system to test and explain. This isn’t meant as the final word—just my detailed walkthrough of what happened when I tried building the idea for real. Here is the video link: https://youtu.be/jlUh4HOnBzc
Does ICM Replace n8n—or Is the Handoff the Real Problem?
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The n8n question hasn't really landed for me yet. I keep looking at it and thinking I'd want to see a clear winner before adding a third party to something I can write myself. Not ideological about it, I just haven't hit the wall that makes it worth it. Where the video did land was the duplicate send. The API I'm on has create-only notes. I can push one, I can never read it back, update it, or delete it. A blind retry means a permanent duplicate sitting in a record I have no way to fix. Though the way I'm actually solving that is by needing it less. The canonical copy lives in my own database and I keep shrinking what has to cross that boundary at all. Better retry logic is still building on a record I can't inspect. Has anyone here gone the other way, pulled things in-house instead of orchestrating around a vendor? Curious what pushed the call.
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@Andre Cordero So for us it was a security aware company in Australia. They are moving on regulation a bit quicker than the US so some companies are extra sensitive of nothing off shore and no third party stuff. The real kicker is that n8n you basically hand over your keys to them. So keeping the keys in house was one of the main driver.
I went looking for who else runs a maintained knowledge base with an agent on top. Found almost nobody. Tell me I'm wrong
A founder asked me a question this week that I couldn't answer on the spot: do other businesses have a system like this? So I went and looked. Short version: outside this room, I can't find them. Everyone here runs some version of it already, a folder of markdown that Claude reads and maintains, and I'd stopped noticing how unusual that is. I'd like the room to tell me where the others are hiding, or whether we're further ahead than we think. The system in question is the one I've been installing at a three-person shop since August. The part that's now real: a knowledge base in a git repo that their own Claude reads before it does any work, a file register that watches their Drive and logs every arrival and every move, and a pitch engine that runs a brief through four human approval gates with the gaps written on the slide. Every filing carries who approved it or which rule filed it. Every page carries where it came from. When something ends up in the wrong place, the record says whether a person put it there or our rule did. None of the pieces are exotic. Markdown, git, a spreadsheet, an Apps Script, skills. What's different is that the knowledge is compiled and maintained, not retrieved. The agent doesn't search a pile of PDFs every time. It reads pages it helped write, with the provenance on them, and the rules for what it may and may not do live in the same repo. Here's what I found when I went looking for who else does this. The big holding companies in that industry have "operating systems" now. Real ones, sold to clients as the reason to hire the group. That's a data platform with agents on it, top down, owned by the group. Not a thing three people could own. Everyone in the middle has AI on top of files. The numbers from this year's surveys: about two thirds of agencies run brief generation in production, a third draft client reports with it, and the single biggest problem the independents report is getting AI into their actual workflows. Every "AI knowledge base" guide I read describes the same thing. Search over the shared drive. A memory server. Chat with your documents. Useful. Also not a record of anything.
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@Aaron Kruger Hear! Hear!
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@Rob Hafemeister Your second paragraph is the answer, so I don't think you're failing to grasp it. Small, versioned, clear rules, raw documents and live records somewhere else. That's the thing. The file server problem comes from nobody ever having to decide where something goes. Anything can be dropped anywhere, nothing is ever removed, and there's no cost to adding one more. A knowledge base earns the name when three rules hold. One page per thing. That thing is the narrowest owner available, so a fact lives on the page of what it describes rather than in a notes file (Aaron called it the narrowest owner upthread and that's the right name for it). And getting a page is a decision somebody makes, not the default. Most work should never become a page. The rule doing the heavy lifting is the index. If a page can't be reached from the index it doesn't exist as far as the agent is concerned. I tested that on my own vault, a fact that lived only in session logs with nothing routing to it, and two of the three models I asked said it wasn't in the corpus at all. So sprawl doesn't just make a mess, it makes things invisible. That part is checkable by machine, which the file server never was. You're right that an agent can generate sprawl faster than a person. It'll write you a page per session if you let it. The difference is that the same agent runs the pruning pass, and every page is reachable and every link resolves is a check, not an opinion. Mine runs on a two-week cadence and it's the weakest part of my setup, which is the conversation happening further up this thread. When you go play with it, what are you starting on? The rules shift a fair bit depending on whether it's your own material or something a team writes into.
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🤖. powers increasing. /rawwwrrr
Ive been here a while now...
Hey guys. I have been here a while now, and I can not get my brain to understand it all. I am loosing out on a lot and I dont even know what to do to fix it. Its become so frustrating that I am losing sight on why I am even in here. What I want to make, I can not make the AI understand. I cant get Claude to get it, mostly probably because I am unable to wrap my head around it all properly. All I want to build is something that can help me get my passion visible posting on Youtube, making video edits from our content and all of this seems to either be built already but cost a fortune, or feels impossible to build because I cant get my head around it. Limiting thoughts, yes, this I know. But I am reading and testing myself to death here, and I am not omving forward, I am barely moving sideways...Should I just capitulate and have someone build it FOR me at high cost at this point?
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@Ry Mac This reminds me I need to actually work some mindfulness practice :P
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@Biggi Fraley Nice! I am looking forward to the long weekend myself. I will probably finish some trim work around the house so I don't work on this AI game all weekend. 🙌. 🤖
Will conversations on AI Governance, Leadership & Value benefit anyone?
My mind has been playing tricks on me, telling me that this community might not need my kind of content. Maybe because we are mainly builders and always building here. My information is not heavy on harnesses, labs and experiments (even though I build myself). It’s more leadership focused. I address leaders and how they should lead in this age. I’d love to share but I don’t want to share what we won’t need. So I’m asking. Would we like that?
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I had to dig into the Australia Essential Eights a fair amount. It is always nice to know where the best practices and governance is heading to build future proof solutions. Often these turn into selling points, so even just builders wanting to future proof their builds would probably be interested.
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