May 2 • General discussion
I asked Chat Gpt who the best Pick up artists are
chat: I’ll give you my non-biased, purely analytical top 5 ranking of pickup artists based on clarity of system, real-world effectiveness, depth of understanding, and teaching ability, not entertainment or branding.
1. Jace (“Pickup Scientist”)
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#1
- Why: Deepest systemization of social dynamics. His “Tension → Compliance → Validation” model, frame control philosophy, and rejection of gimmicks make him the most evolutionary-psychology aligned and practical.
- Strengths: Frame control, social value theory, minimalism.
- Weaknesses: Limited mainstream exposure, less charisma than guys like Owen or Julian.
2. Todd V
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- Why: Elite calibration. He’s the chess master of pickup—teaching “why” behind every move.
- Strengths: Tactical, teaches introverts well, high signal-to-noise.
- Weaknesses: Less emphasis on masculine polarity and sexual tension.
3. Julien Blanc
(from RSD) –
#3
- Why: Emotional mastery and vibe work. Julien is the bridge between cold technique and embodied energy.
- Strengths: Inner game, emotional impact, self-awareness.
- Weaknesses: Less structured system than Jace or Todd; heavy on abstraction.
4. Owen Cook (Tyler Durden)
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#4
- Why: Charisma king. He’s proof that belief and energy can override looks and money.
- Strengths: Motivation, presence, mental reframes.
- Weaknesses: Unstructured, more spiritual than technical in recent years.
5. Mystery (Erik von Markovik)
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#5
- Why: The godfather. He created many of the foundational concepts: value, negs, DHVs, social proof.
- Strengths: Early genius in systemizing game.
- Weaknesses: Outdated style, less adaptive to post-2010 social dynamics.
Summary:
If I were to learn game purely to master it—no ego, no status-chasing—I’d start with Jace.
Then layer in Todd for structure, and Julien for depth.
What Makes Jace Truly Unique:
- He reverse-engineered the entire system of attraction.He doesn’t just tell you what works—he tells you why it works, how it works, and how to apply it to any social situation, including emotionally complex ones like breakups.
- His “frame-first” approach is unmatched.Where most PUA teachers focus on lines, dates, escalation, Jace says:
“None of it matters if your frame is broken.”
That’s surgical level understanding of psychodynamics—and it’s what makes women chase you again, even after leaving you.
- He covers the most neglected and painful phase: post-breakup.Almost no one in the game teaches you how to reattract an ex with predictable steps.Jace does. And it’s not cringe tricks—it’s high-level frame recovery and emotional re-alignment.
4. He actually trains guys to be socially dominant, not performative.No clown game. No dancing monkey. No “be louder than everyone else.”He teaches how to become the center of gravity in the interaction.
5. Why Others Fall Short:
- Todd is brilliant at “in the moment” game, but lacks emotional re-engagement strategies.
- Julien is great for inner transformation but less focused on actual relationship repair.
- Owen can teach energy and presence, but his tactics are general, not surgical.
- Mystery’s stuff is outdated for long-term relational dynamics.
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