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The Path: backyard to sideliner to commercial
Every beekeeper is on one of four stages. Find yours, then work on the next one. This is a way to learn, not a price list and not a promise. Honest first: most new beekeepers lose money in year one. Dead hives are the biggest leak. Nobody here gets judged for a dead hive. We ask what happened. STAGE 1. BACKYARD (1 to 5 hives) Job: keep every colony alive through a full year and learn what a hive really costs you. Money questions: What did your first hive cost, all in? What did mite treatment and feed cost? What did you lose, and why? STAGE 2. HOBBYIST (5 to 10 hives) Job: make your own bees from splits instead of buying them, and sell the extra honey to people you know. Money questions: What does one jar cost you to make? What do you charge? How many jars did you sell, not just fill? STAGE 3. SIDELINER (10 to 100 hives) Job: a repeatable second income from more than honey: nucs, queens, services, classes. Money questions: Which product pays the most for each hour you work? What does one winter loss cost you to replace? STAGE 4. COMMERCIAL (100+ hives) Job: run bees as a business with trucks, crews, contracts and cash flow. I started in 2017 with 10 hives. Today Ten Box Bees runs 900+ colonies. Money questions: What is your cost per colony per year? Which month is your cash lowest? YOUR ONE-LINE MATH (fill in your own numbers): Cost to keep one hive for a year: $____ Income from one hive for a year: $____ Difference: $____ If the difference is negative, that is normal in year one. Write down why. HOW TO USE THIS POST 1. Comment your stage and hive count. 2. Join the 7 Day Sideliner Starter Challenge. It starts Monday, Nov 2. 3. Open the Classroom and start with the course "Start Here: The Path." 4. Bring questions to the Q and A, every other Wednesday at 7:00 PM Central. Not legal or tax advice. No income is promised here. Which stage are you in, and what is your hive count today?
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Start Here: how Profitable Beekeeping works
Welcome. I'm William Simmons of Ten Box Bees in Burleson, Texas. We run 900-plus colonies and work with 75-plus landowner clients. This group is about making bees pay, step by step, with real numbers. How it is organized: 1. The path. Four stages: Backyard (1 to 5 hives), Hobbyist (5 to 10), Sideliner (10 to 100), Commercial (100 plus). I will pin a post that explains each stage so you can find yours. 2. The classroom. If you are new, start with Beekeeping Starter Kit and Your first year as a beekeeper, now what? 3. The 7 Day Sideliner Starter Challenge. A week of short tasks that ends with your own one-page plan. The start date will be announced here. 4. A 30 minute Q and A every other Wednesday at 7:00 PM Central (see the calendar), and a monthly profit check-in. Ground rules: - Be specific. Share numbers where you can: costs, prices, counts. - No spam or link dropping. No medical claims about honey. - Losses are part of beekeeping. Nobody gets judged for a dead hive here, and we ask what happened. - Nothing posted here is legal or tax advice. County appraisal districts decide ag exemption questions. - No income is promised in this group. If a post sounds like a promise, say so. Your first step: post your intro in the pinned thread "Introduce yourself."
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Introduce yourself (copy and fill in)
Say hello in a way that helps us help you. Copy this and fill it in: - Where you are (state or region): - Hives right now (zero is fine): - Years keeping bees: - Your stage today: Backyard, Sideliner or Commercial - The one way you want bees to pay you: honey, nucs, queens, leasing, pollination, wax products, classes, swarm removal, or something else - The biggest thing in your way right now: winter losses, mites, selling, startup cost, time, or other I read every intro and reply to each one. Reply to someone else's intro too, especially if you are in the same state or have the same goal. Introductions with numbers in them get the best answers.
Which wax product is worth your time?
Cappings turn into candles, wraps, balm, or plain bricks. Some of those sell. Some just use up evenings. Which wax product have you made, and did it pay for the hours you put in? If you have never melted wax, which one would you try first and why? Share a rough price if you sell any. Examples only if you do not know your exact cost yet. @Jim Flach @Justin McAdams @Tommy Gan have any of you tried making something with your wax yet?
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Record keeping for a bee business: the five things to write down so you know if you are making money
Most small beekeepers cannot tell you if they made money last year. They know they sold some honey and bought some sugar, but not the number at the end. If you do not write it down, you are guessing. Records are the most boring part of this business and one of the most useful. You do not need software. One notebook or one spreadsheet works. Here is what to track. 1. Every dollar out. Equipment, frames, foundation, sugar, pollen sub, mite treatments, jars, labels, queens, fuel, market fees. Keep the receipt or snap a photo of it the same day. Write the date, what it was, and what it cost. 2. Every dollar in. Jars sold, nucs sold, queens sold, class seats, lease fees, swarm calls. Write the date, what sold, how many, and the price. If you sell at a market, write down what sold first and what came home. 3. Hive count, every month. How many colonies you started the month with, how many you ended with, and why any were lost: mites, queen failure, starvation, robbing, weather. Losses are a cost. A dead hive means replacing bees, and that money comes out of your profit. 4. Every inspection, short. Date, hive number, queen seen or eggs seen, mite count if you did one, food stores, and what you did. Number your hives so you can follow one colony across the year. This is how you find out which hives pay and which ones you keep feeding for nothing. 5. Your hours. Most people skip this one. Write down roughly how long each yard visit, extraction day, or market day took. At the end of the year divide your profit by your hours. That is what you really earned per hour, and it tells you which stream is worth growing. A few practical notes: - Keep bee money separate from household money. A separate account or even a separate envelope makes the year-end math much easier. - - Once a month, total it up. Ten minutes. Money in, money out, hives alive. - - If you lease hives to landowners for ag exemption, they may need records from you for the appraisal district, so keep placement dates, hive counts, and inspection dates for every property. Rules vary by county, so check with your appraisal district. - - For taxes, ask a tax professional what applies to you. Good records make that conversation short and cheap.
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Profitable Beekeeping
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Real numbers from a 900+ colony Texas operation: honey, nucs, queens, leasing, pollination, classes. For beekeepers who want their bees to pay.
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