@Francesco Dell'Anna I dont get this 🥲

@Crimson Wolf hell yea it's good. It's incredible

@Dani Spivak Let me clarify where we're talking past each other. When I said "your evaluation of reality IS reality" - I wasn't saying children don't experience pain. I was saying your label "unnecessary" is a human judgment, not a cosmic fact. You perceive it as purposeless. That doesn't make it purposeless. You're treating your perception as the thing itself. On tractability: I'm not saying we can't answer ANY questions. "Is cruelty for its own sake evil?" - yes, answerable. "Did this specific suffering serve a purpose in the totality of existence?" - not answerable. Not because we're stupid. Because the question requires tracing a causal web we don't have access to. On the house pets: let me give you a harder case. The Holocaust. Six million. Children in gas chambers. If my position can survive that, it survives burning pets. Here's what I hold: I don't know why those children died. I don't. And I won't pretend I do. The greatest Jewish philosophers - the ones who wrestled with this 800 years ago - also admitted they couldn't fully explain innocent suffering. They didn't conclude God was evil. They concluded their understanding had limits. I stand with them. "I don't know" is not "there is no reason." I'm at the limits of what a human can see. So are you. The difference is I admit it. On your revised conclusion: notice you've moved. First it was "an omnipotent omniscient God can't exist." Now it's "He could exist, just doesn't care." That's a different argument. And I'd say: if you can't have depth without the possibility of pain, then a God who creates a world with pain IS a God who cares - about something bigger than comfort.

@Dani Spivak How can I say cruelty for its own sake is evil? Because I can judge human motives. A man torturing animals for fun vs. a vet causing pain to heal. Intent is visible. What I cannot judge is God's motive. Not because I'm dodging the question, but because God, by definition, cannot be fully grasped by human beings. We know our limitations. Claiming to evaluate the purposes of an infinite being with a finite mind isn't humility. It's the opposite. It sounds like you are saying my position is unfalsifiable, but you are not getting it. "Did this pain exist?" is answerable. "Was this specific pain purposeless in the totality of existence?" is not. You'd need to trace every consequence through time. You can't. Your claim that this specific suffering is "unnecessary" is equally unfalsifiable. You say my position makes no predictions. Let's test that with the hardest case: the Holocaust. Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 predict: if Israel abandons the covenant, they will be scattered, persecuted, hunted to near extinction. Not vague. Specific. Every empire that tried to destroy us is gone. We're still here. The Holocaust fits a pattern the Torah laid out millennia before. I don't know why a child in China suffers. But Jewish suffering? Predicted. Not random. Consequence. Now, from where I stand in my research, here's the prophecy that blew me away the most. Leviticus 26:32: וַהֲשִׁמּוֹתִי אֲנִי אֶת־הָאָרֶץ וְשָׁמְמוּ עָלֶיהָ אֹיְבֵיכֶם הַיֹּשְׁבִים בָּהּ "I will make the land desolate, and your enemies who settle in it will be desolate upon it." Pliny (77 CE): "Engedi, second only to Jerusalem in fertility... now a heap of ashes." Nachmanides (1267): "Since we left it, it has not accepted any nation or people, and they all try to settle it but none succeeds." Mark Twain (1867): "Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes." Yes, there were periods where specific places flourished. Jerusalem had functioning markets under early Islamic rule. But we're talking about a trend across the entire land over 2,000 years. And this is an incredibly difficult prophecy to make. Israel sits at the crossroads of three continents. Empires fought over it for millennia. It should have been a prize. Instead, it sat barren, waiting. Suddenly Jews return to rule. green, fertile, swamps got drained, booming economy exporting billions.

@Dani Spivak @Kurt Hannemann @DuckDodgerz Anonymous @Shauna Starcher @Sam Lewis look at the instegram post that dani shared. look at the comments in hebrew. read them. everyone is disguisted. this is another reason we are not the same as muslims. everyone says "this is fucked up to use children remove this video NOW" in hebrew. and its real accounts not bots, instegram is super strong in Israel. 🙏 . (ontop of this, as dani said. this is most probably a fake video)

I was gonna spitball some questions but I guess I'm too late. Its already night time. Damn