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Why cleanser formulas use more than one surfactant (and what each one is doing)
When you look at a cleanser formula and notice three or four different surfactants listed, do you wonder whether that's just "filling", or whether each one genuinely serves a purpose? In an ideal world, each is doing something different, and the combination makes the system work. The surfactant carrying the most weight in a formula is usually called the primary surfactant. Its job is the main cleaning function: removing oil, sebum, and debris from skin. It's typically the one with the highest percentage and is chosen for its cleaning efficiency and lather characteristics (this also means it tends to be anionic) . SCI (sodium cocoyl isethionate) and sodium lauryl sulfoacetate are common primary surfactants in rinse-off bar formats. The secondary surfactants come in to address things the primary does well at but not perfectly. Many effective primary surfactants can be slightly stripping on their own, so an amphoteric like cocamidopropyl betaine is added not necessarily for cleansing power, but to soften the overall action, improve skin feel, stabilise the foam and often to help thicken the formula. Some secondaries also boost the lather volume or quality, making the formula feel more luxurious without affecting the actual cleaning performance. There's also a third function that often gets overlooked: conditioning and mildness. Surfactants like coco-glucoside or even Lamesoft PO65 (refatting) can add a mild conditioning effect to the rinse, leaving skin feeling less tight. Non-ionics are gentler, so they pair very well with stronger anionics. The real skill in building a surfactant system is knowing what each ingredient contributes and in what ratio. A cleanser that's 100% primary surfactant will be harsher than it needs to be. A cleanser that's mostly secondary surfactants won't clean well enough. So the point I am trying to make is: find the right balance. Try this: Look at the INCI list of a commercial cleanser you like. See if you can identify which surfactant is likely the primary and which are secondaries. What does the combination tell you about what the formulator was going for?
Why cleanser formulas use more than one surfactant (and what each one is doing)
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@Isidora Roussou Perfect. I think aggressive is what YOU find aggressive for your hair. I personally feel that, for many ingredients, the poison is in the dose. So, coco sulfate is great; it is indeed anionic, but it is balanced in the product with CAPB and the glucoside. I feel the same way about SLS and SLES. They are strong, but they're certainly not as bad as they are made out to be, provided they are used properly. Sodium Coco Sulfate needs balancing, but it is one of my go-to anionics for liquid products, I love it. If you go to the Classroom, there is Lexie in the AI section - a free INCI decoder in case you need help.
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@Isidora Roussou What do you think about the amount of lipids listed?
Formulation Feedback Friday
Here's how it works: you drop a formula, a product idea, an ingredient question, or something you've been quietly puzzling over, and I give you proper, specific feedback. Not "looks great!" but actually useful input you can do something with. It can be the shampoo from the Abbey Yung series, something completely unrelated, or a question you've been sitting on for a while and weren't sure was worth asking. There are no silly questions here, genuinely. Post it below, and I'll work through them over the course of the day.
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@Damiani Georgiadi I dont know why i wasn't notified, I am sorry. I checked the setting and it is correct. My apologies. Can you give me the INCI before I respond?
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@Damiani Georgiadi I see, no worries :) Ok, I found them. I think using them together in a hair mask could become somewhat redundant depending on the rest of the formulation and the performance you are targeting. Both ingredients are essentially lipid-restoring, ceramide/barrier-supportive, smoothing, anti-breakage, and conditioning. So, with 2% Bio-Ceramidyl HairPLUS and 2% Ceraskin P, you are dedicating 4% of your formula to very similar functionality. That is not automatically “wrong”, but it can become cost-inefficient, harder to justify from a formulation perspective and potentially heavy depending on the base system. If your mask already contains fatty alcohols, conditioning emulsifiers, cationics, proteins and lipids, then the gain from doubling up on ceramide systems may become marginal. I would suggest: Bio-Ceramidyl Hair: 1–1.5%; Ceraskin P: 0.5–1%; and see how that works. I think that with damaged hair, adding more actives doesn't necessarily lead to better performance; it can easily go the other way. I would personally try to keep ceramide actives moderate and support with proteins/amino acids if appropriate. I would also check if the supplier has clear data to back up certain percentages. But having said all this, if your hair loves it, don't fix it if it's not broken. 🌻
Foam ≠ clean. Do you actually believe it?
Most formulators know this in theory. Foam doesn't equal clean(s)ing power. A surfactant can cleanse perfectly well without producing a dramatic lather, and some of the harshest surfactants make the most impressive foam. But here's the honest question: do you actually believe it when you're the one using the product? I ask because I notice it in myself sometimes. I'll test a gentle cleanser bar that I know is working at a good surfactant percentage, pH is right, micelle formation is fine, and everything checks out. And yet if the lather isn't satisfying, there's a small part of my brain that questions whether it really cleanses. It's consumer psychology working on the formulator. We're not immune to it. Quick poll — when you use a low-lather cleanser, do you: Tell me in the comments, too. I'm genuinely curious whether this changes with experience level.
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What's your starting surfactant when you're building a cleanser?
When I sit down to formulate a new cleanser, whether it's a liquid wash, a solid bar, or anything in between, there's almost always one surfactant I reach for first to kind of anchor the formula around, and then I build from there. I'm curious whether you have a default starting point too, or whether you approach each formula differently depending on what the product needs to do. My own starting point has actually changed over the years as I've worked with more surfactant types, which is part of why I find this question interesting to ask. It doesn't matter whether you're at the early stages of learning surfactant systems or you've been working with them for a while. Any answer is genuinely useful here. What's the first surfactant you reach for when building a cleanser, and what made it your go-to?
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