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Do we actually need philosophy?
I've seen a lot of people claim that philosophy is a necessity in this modern day and age. But I have yet to see someone give a clear definition of what type of necessity they mean. It's not necessary for survival in the literal sense, so what do we need it for?
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@Ostap Moroz you‘re defining „philosophy“ in a way broader sense than before. if you define philosophy as basic logical reasoning then of course it becomes necessary, but that makes the claim almost trivial. the original question was wether philosophy in a more meaningful sense (reflection, questioning frameworks, etc.) is necessary. stating that basic reasoning is necessary doesn‘t really answer that. it seems like the conclusion depends heavily on how broadly you define philosophy
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@Ostap Moroz you started by saying that philosophy is not necessary, but now you‘re saying that it can be necessary in some cases, preferable in others and that the term itself might be too strong. that seems to support my point. without clearly defining what ypu mean by „philosophy“ and „necessary“ the conclusion becomes unclear
Why do we need Philosophy?
These are my thoughts on the course "What makes Philosophy important": We need philosophy and I absolutely agree. And It's not taught in school as a general subject, because it probably incentives critical thinking too much. Being able to break down philosophical concepts allows us to break down ANY concept (in my opinion), many famous philosophers were also scientists, mathematicians and artists. Being a philosophers means discussing ideas with others, reflecting on you own worldview, thinking critically of mainstream narrative that the media and school try to convey. I believe that everyone should be a philosopher, yet very few today have the ability to. In ancient Greece, every citizen of Athens HAD TO be literate, informed and intelligent so they are to partake in discussions of judicial matters and town votes. The main message was that we all need to do what we want and for that, we have to first know what we want. And philosophy gives us the chance to immerse fully into that. We do need to be aware of not falling into the nihilistic side, where too much deep thinking sometimes makes you ultra-pessimistic. That's it, thanks for reading
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@Amin T.o. my main point of contention is with strength of the claim. if philosophy is defined so broadly that it includes any kind of thinking or implicit framework, then saying everyone engages in philosophy becomes trivial. in that case, i don‘t disagree, but it also doesn‘t show that philosophy is necessary in any meaningful sense. the stronger claim would be that reflecting or critical thinking with those frameworks is necessary for anything meaningful, and that‘s the part i don‘t see justified
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@Amin T.o. i‘m not denying that simple forms of thinking can fall under the definition of philosophy, just like counting can fall under mathematics. my point is that if you define philosophy so broadly that it includes any kind of thinking or implicit framework then saying it‘s „necessary“ becomes trivial. so the question isn‘t wether it counts as philosophy but wether that definition is meaningful for the claim being made. and if we move to a stronger definition, like explicit reflection or critical examination, then you‘ve already conceded that it‘s not necessary. so the original claim only holds in a trivial sense
Most people don‘t care about truth
We love to think that we value truth, but challenging core beliefs, like religion is often perceived as an attack on someones identity. This creates a situation where people tend to accept arguments that fit their existing narrative and reject those that challenge it, not necessarily because they‘re wrong but because they feel threatening. If that‘s the case, then many discussions aren‘t about finding the truth, but about maintaining a stable and comfortable worldview.
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The problem regarding acquisition of comfort.
It is unbelievable how convenient our world has become, compared to any mediaeval standards. Any mediaeval peasant could only dream of such convenience and general comfort of life. We do not have to worry about food, water, shelter, long cold winters. However in the process of that, we have lost the sense of life. There isn’t a fight for survival anymore. Hence, there isn’t anything that pushes a human for life. Our society has lost the meaning of life. In day-to-day rituals, in avoiding death in daily life, the traditions which lived for generations. Our life has become too easy. Not to forget, our bodies are made to survive the harshness and the ultimate cost for living on Terra, which has been taken away and never truly replaced. The amount of problems a mediaeval peasant had he one had to worry about, isn’t that far from what we today have. So, to compromise, our societies had to replace the problems we had to fight for everyday, once they have been largely solved. And indeed, humans have created new problems they have to deal with, in the place of surviving in the literal sense of that word. What does one have to do in this world? Is there a reason to exist for oneself? Any species have evolved for survival, including us, however when we have got rid of the need to survive, what is the purpose for existence? I am sure, that the primary cause of large anxiety and other mental health issues come from the lack of survival. Zoochosis is a term referred to captive animals, who because of the unnatural environment endure mental health issues, regarding the stereotypic behaviour they acquire. We are no different from the goal of existence of any other species, which is survival. Likewise, if we do not actively endure active threats to our survival, which tempers us for better ability to survive in that environment, we degradate. And in addition, when any species is put into a sterile, easy and comfortable environment, it may lead to severe mental health issues exactly regarding the lack of survival action. We are not an exception.
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I like this take but I disagree with some things. Yes, we have basically created a life in which we don't have to fight for survival and in which food and water are easily obtainable, but that doesn't mean that we're going to get mental health / psychological issues. Our primary meaning of life was never to find food, water and shelter (maybe only temporarily in some individual lifes). we find our meaning mostly in social interactions, stimulation and reproducing. I don’t think the zoochosis analogy fully supports your point, because the issue in captivity isn’t simply that animals no longer struggle to survive, but that their environments often lack the complexity and stimulation they evolved for. In well-designed environments, where animals can engage in natural behaviors and social structures, many actually live longer and healthier lives, which suggests that the problem isn’t the absence of survival pressure itself, but the absence of engagement. Translating that to humans, it’s not clear that we need “survival stress” specifically, but rather fulfilling social and mental environments. a low chronic stress life is what all animals tend toward and it has never been easier for any animal than for humans right now. activities can be beneficial, but are unlikely to give you a sufficient and long lasting meaning of life, as finding a partner, many close friends, appropriate stimulation and living with as little worry as possible seem to offer a more realistic basis for meaning than deliberately reintroducing hardship.
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@Vladyslàv Martỳnenko i think you’re shifting the discussion a bit. my point was about whether lack of survival pressure leads to a loss of meaning, not about spirituality or science. if you want to argue that meaning depends on spiritual belief, that’s a different claim but then you’d need to explain why that is the case, rather than just asserting it. that would be an interesting discussion
Philosophy is not for just anyone. Yet it is now a necessity for everyone.
When you start to think everything starts to hurt. Philosphy is the practice of defining the properties which make up reality. In order to do this you have to break appart your current model of reality. When you wake up, you look at your bed and know that it is a bed, you look at your clock and knows it is a clock. Everything makes sense because reality as you percive it is in line with your cognitive model of what reality is. When you begin to question that cognitive model, you are forced to break your understanding apart, in effect your perception and cognitive model of reality are no longer in line, you end up in a painful position where you can’t trust anything or anyone for a while, before taking the old pieces and new pieces and constructing a new, larger one. Making you feel content for a while, before doing it again, bringing more suffering and confusion. This process takes up a ton of mentall energy and distracts you from your purpose as a human being in society. If you just accepted that you are ignorant and are content with it you could instead focus on contributing to your community and putting food on the table for your family. Bringing actuall happiness. To yourself and others. But today. Ignorance will bring you to suffering yourself and inflicting suffering on others, without question. All throughout human history, not much changed over the course of hundreds of years. Through that slow change, culture would be formed by what worked best in the enviorment. You understood what your purpose was, even as a child. You contribute to society at large by your proffesion which has been inhearited through generations, your proffesion would make you money or create something of value which can be traded which made you able to contribute to your family, have kids for yourself and continue the cycle. The ambitous ones had to suffer a lot in these times. But that is a choice made by someone that is strong and individual. It is not a forced position. Today. The world has changed so much in such a short time that there has been no time for a culture to be formed to survive and find happiness in it.
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you're saying that philosophy is a necessity, but i still don't belief that you have clearly defined for what. i also mostly disagree when you seem to be implying that people need philosophy to navigate modern life, since they can build relationships, develop habits and get a sense of direction without philosophical breakdowns of their worldview. also, you describe past societies as if people didn’t need that kind of reflection because culture already gave them purpose, and modern society as if it lacks functional culture altogether and conclude from that, that people will become hostile or fall into this destructive behaviour, without this kind of philosophical process. i don't think these assumptions fully hold (especially the idea that there are no functional cultural structures or communities left today)
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@Isaac Brown saying that he sounds depressed and kinda crazy is just a personal reaction, which doesn't tell me anything about wether or not this post was a postmodernist view or not. also, describing postmodernism as just questioning everything for no reason is just an inaccuracy on your end. postmodernism is skepticism toward absolute truths, critique of universal explanations, etc., which he clearly doesn't support, since he makes some absolute claims ("philosophy is a necessity for everyone") and he assumes objective crisis ("There is no culture anymore"). lastly, saying "like what he talked about in the first bit" doesn't explain which part and why it would qualify. if you’re going to label something as postmodern, it would help to be a bit more precise about why.
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