@Stacy Theodossin true. And I would even say some are knowingly complicit. However, the ones that are rewarded in ways less obvious: Steady job, thinking this is the "right" way because the studies all show xyz from these specific sources (while contrary research is SOMETIMES omitted) and is what they've been cultured and conditioned to believe was helpful.... while as I mentioned in my first post, I don't think it's intentional. But they still "play their role" as you said. The argument can be made that choosing to be blind to a problem still makes you part of the problem. So my thought is treating them with compassion and education, not meaning to downplay the issue at all. It is a dramatization yes, but.. as I've thought about it, really not that dramatic. I do appreciate when I see lifestyle changes suggested. And that's something I work on with the PAs, NPs and docs I work with, and most are open to it, but "through proper channels" i.e. a hospital hired health coach. Which is still really good! But we only have 2.... and they have their hands full with employees!