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Does anyone else rewrite their copy way too many times?
Sometimes I spend more time rewriting the headline than actually finishing the piece itself. What's funny is that the first version is often natural, but after editing it too much everything starts sounding forced or overly "salesy". The perfectionists trap is so real in this field.
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@Ayuba Ayomide Hello bro
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@Adam J Definitely 🎯
Are we over complicating copy when simple messaging works better?
I have been noticing lately a lot of copy, especially landing pages and ads, feels like it's trying too hard, big words,clever phrasing, long explanation. But when I look at stuff that actually converts it's usually pretty simple and straight to poin. It made me rethink how much "Creativity" actually helps vs getting the message across fast. Curious what you guys think. I'd like to hear real experience from people working with clients.
Copywriting is saturated.
Really? Do you actually believe that BS lol? I’ll tell you the truth. There are 2 types of people spreading that garbage. 1: Successful copywriters who don’t want competition. 2: Inconsistent copywriters who aren’t getting results. That’s it. Huh? You want me to prove it? Well… just check the win channels from 4DCI students recently. These savages are closing deals left, right, and center. $5k/mo position here, $3k deal there. While one mentee was closing a $4k retainer, another locked in Iman Gadzhi. At the same time, another student was making $1000s because their clients' YouTube channel was blowing up. Email, ads, scripts, landing pages, funnels, social media content… You name it, the 4D army is writing the copy and snatching clients consistently. If your pipeline is dry right now, you’re doing something wrong. You can’t blame the market for being “saturated” when copywriters are out there winning, right now, as I’m writing this. Take a step back and look at your approach. Outreach not getting replies? Revisit the 4-hour client-getting course. Is your copy actually good yet? Does it flow? Get it reviewed by a pro in the free calls to see where you’re going wrong. Fumbling sales calls? Practice roleplays with a friend to get better. Watch sales call breakdowns. Remember, your outcomes are dictated by your actions, not your aspirations. If you want to be a winner, you’ve gotta take the actions the winners take. The new year is approaching FAST. Start making your improvements now so that 2026 is your best one yet. If your success relies on luck, then create your own. Do so many reps and get so good that luck is always on your side. Let’s get it, Your brother, 4D.
0 likes • Dec '25
Keep building and believing. It shall be well!
Can I do this from XYZ country?
👉 Question: From @buhu6171 “I watched one of your youtube courses and I wanna ask you if I can do this in Romania or if I can work with companies from America or whatever from Romania. Thanks” 👉 Answer: Of course, bro. There are quite a few members of the 4D family from Romania… … not to mention, 2 of the 4D coaches are Romanian. I did an interview with 1 of them, and he went from $0 to $12k/mo with copywriting. He gives you all the sauce. If you haven’t heard Benjamin’s success story, check it out and get inspired. Don’t let your location and limiting beliefs stop you from achieving your dreams 💪 Your #1 fan, 4D. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKfG4knPHnU&list=PLjflPnnP2Li9hORRigWd4sNUdFnjhO-HN&index=8
2 likes • Sep '25
I'm a Kenyan 🇰🇪
How realistic is to Offer an extra 15-20K$ or you don't pay through email marketing
Like is this number realistic... i was thinking of making this my headline... i'm very confident about my skills... but considering that i'm mainly going to be working with coaches making 50K-100K$+ Revenue... is it overexaggerating?... it's roughly a 20-30% increase in revenue... and considering they get about 25-40% of their sales through emails... i would probably need to 150%-180% their sales (for email channel only)... considering how bad most coaches deliverablity and conversion rate it is plausible but i'm not sure...
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1 like • Sep '25
@Shivansh Bansal That’s solid. Positioning yourself as a full-stack email marketer instantly separates you from the ‘copy only’ crowd.
1 like • Sep '25
@Shivansh Bansal A calculator could help skeptical prospects see the math, but I wouldn’t make it the centerpiece. In a VSL, the $15–20K hook plus a quick example (‘$80K business, 30% from email, 50% lift = $12–18K’) does the job.
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Samson Kilonzo
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I write copy that clicks, converts and connect. Specializing in emails, ads and landing pages.

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