@Cliff D That is the supplier David suggested in his videos. And this is only my opinion and no legal advice: regarding the EPA certificate, the general assumption out there seems to be, that they don't have the man power to check if every buyer provided his certificate when buying refrigerant from a supplier, and that the EPA only goes after larger entities that violate laws. That being said, when you place an order online, you provide your name and address. If the EPA would ever get to a point of going after that supplier, and then finds countless customer details with no matching certificate, MAYBE they will dig deeper at that point. It is the same with people modifying their cars and trucks with aftermarket exhaust systems. That violates EPA regulations too, by removing catalytic converters or other emissions systems. Most people (should) know that this is illegal - yet there are millions driving around without a catalytic converter or diesel particle filter system. So far, the EPA went after some manufacturers and sellers. How far the EPA enforces, also goes back to the current administration. It seems to be more lax under republican leadership, and much stricter under democratic administration. If Newsom becomes our next president, you can bet that the EPA will get a fresh set of sharp teeth, and they may end up going after regular folks and not just manufacturers or sellers. So at the end of the day, it is your call if you want to buy and / or handle refrigerant without the matching EPA license. I personally would not expect to run into enforcement, fines or worse, but I also don't handle things this way. I do believe that both catalytic converters on vehicles and proper handling of refrigerants are very important to our environment, aka nature. And that's why I don't remove catalytic converters or any emission systems on my cars and trucks, and I got the EPA certificate because I wanted to make sure that I won't risk letting any refrigerant escape into the atmosphere. Well, and I like challenges and wanted to see how I do on the test.