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Trying (desperately) to suggest a solution
I have been reading some very depressing things about the job market these days. It sounds like a lot of people are stuck — we just keep sending out resumes and job applications to no avail. It makes me feel like asking: Does one need to forge a relationship with an employer in advance to get a job? I do not know for sure, but it feels like the situation is desperate for so many of us - so please be patient with me as I try to suggest a creative solution. Now, notice I did not say “network” to get a job. By ‘forging a relationship,’ I am thinking of something different than what I usually think of as networking. When I think of networking, I usually think of a whole lot of people, often most of them jobseekers, meeting at a mixer of some kind and exchanging business cards. And, I suspect that most of them forget who they met minutes later. By 'forging a relationship', I think we would have to look to what my kid did to get their first job. I know, it may sound weird for grown adults to be learning job strategies from a child— but please hear me out. What my kid did is: First, they took sailing lessons for several summers at the sailing club at our local pond. They became skilled at sailing, forged a relationship with the sailing club, and proved that they had skills. They leveraged their relationship and reputation with the club to obtain a job as a sailing instructor there. I understand that they initially faced rejection. However, they did not take ‘no’ for an answer and just kept asking until they were accepted for a job. I wonder: could we extrapolate a job-seeking strategy from my kid’s experience? Don’t just send out resumes. #1. Find an employer you like and become active with them. Maybe take classes or some kind of other activities with them. #2. Learn skills relevant to that employer. #3. Prove your skills and worth to that employer. #4. Forge a relationship with the people at that employer who can actually give you a job. #5. Apply for a job and keep making your case until you (hopefully) get from ‘no’ to ‘yes’.
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Thank YOU for setting up this Skool and for your profound writings on Medium!
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@Bonnie Jo Bennett Do you wonder whether the government should offer support to people who need it while they are retraining?
Changing careers
I got my start in IT the 1990s. I learned and grew into bigger roles. I ran endpoint security for a fortune 500 company. And then I moved up to a Fortune one company consulting to their endpoint security architectural update for 320,000 nodes. But then two years working for the world’s largest dedicated security company broke me. I sustained a serious back injury from working 100 hours a week to meet a deadline. Then that company got bought out by private equity and started laying off in droves. Luckily a friend of mine dusted me off and put me back to work and I got debt free. However that consulting work would end badly when I was terminated illegally. I had no idea how bad the white collar recession was until I had to try to find a job in it. 1000 applications and counting. The whole time I was working in IT I was also accumulating real estate. After my injury (that insurance would not cover) and workers comp had expired (in just one year in Texas), I was scared because I couldn’t take care of the buildings myself and with 25 units and having a property manager in each of three states was unwieldy. Especially when they steal from you. So I sold all of the real estate and luckily I have a small income. Still it’s not enough to properly provide for my wife and I which is embarrassing. So I’m probably leaving IT security for more passive income source. I found a property near me that is actually a six unit RV park. The price is right and since it is USDA rural I can get it with no money down. My banker was out on Friday because his wife is having a baby and it will be their third child. I think this approach is going to work better for me because sitting at a computer(standing, yoga ball) for so long has taken its toll. Thankfully I have the real estate investment experience and luckily somehow my credit is still quite good. So here’s to hoping. I think after expenses this property should bring in about $2000 per month. And that plus my small residual income should be enough for my wife and I to live comfortably in Bali if we want to. Absolutely fell in love with that place… And then with her :)
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@Ron Falzone If I may ask, is your wife actually from Bali? My wife is from the Philippines.
Sounding the Alarm on Retirement
Thank you very much to Jason for adding these new categories, including 'preparing for retirement'! Now, I suppose some of you may be thinking, 'John, you ding-dong, I can't afford to prepare for retirement - I'm still stuck contracting/temping and looking for something permanent!' However, I have to say - I'm afraid that we may not be able to afford NOT to prepare for retirement. :-( I have heard that, for about an estimated 60% of Americans (apologies to those of you who may be living elsewhere), retirement is not a choice. :-( We may be forced into retirement by factors such as ill health, caregiving responsibilities, or corporate restructuring. :-( So, what to do about it? I am no financial expert, so I would have to default to the classic advice. Even if we are just scraping by, try to set aside 1 out of every 10 dollars for the future. More to add later; please anyone else jump in. Thank you very much for your time. PS: Again, I am no expert - but I have gotten the strong impression that preparing for retirement is one of those things that are easier to do the earlier you start - even if retirement may feel like a distant concern. This is in part simply because, in general, the earlier one begins to invest, the longer one's money has the time to compound. I think Albert Einstein is alleged to have said that the most powerful force in the universe is compound interest.
What (sort of) worked for me
Dear Group: I had struggled with finding permanent employment for years, and so I identify with anyone who is still in that position. However, I would like to share some of my story and what (sort of) worked for me. After law school, I felt like I hit a wall trying to find permanent employment as an attorney. If this surprises you, I would say that job hunting as a new law graduate felt worse, not better, than applying as a non-graduate. To make a long story short, I tried starting my own law practice. Such practice was not successful from a business standpoint, but it was a learning experience and gave me something to put on my resume. Around about that time, I tried applying for jobs as a paralegal instead of an attorney. I got an interview, but I was not sure how it went. 2 things happened: My wife and an elder at our church said some special prayers for me, and, I dropped off a hand-written thank you note for the interview. And - I was extended and accepted an offer as a paralegal! Years later, that the firm had been thinking of not hiring me because I was an attorney - but when it received the hand-written thank you note, the firm changed its decision. And with that, I finally managed to get an 'in' to the employment market and have largely been working as a paralegal for different companies since. So, that was what partially worked for me. I have more to tell, but I think that that is enough for now. Best of luck to everyone in their searches!
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Hi Jason, I read your Medium post about finding what you want to do. I think that's great! I hope that you won't mind if I use this group for one of my ideas re: what I want to do. Not long ago, I was trying to help one to two friends with job hunting. I thought about developing a side gig as a job coach. But, I was concerned that I am not qualified, because I am no expert. I had another idea, based on the movie 'Patch Adams'. In the film, Patch Adams has a vision for a medical facility in which everyone is a health provider, everyone is a patient. I had a brainstorm: what about something like that for job hunting? A group where everyone is a teacher; everyone is a student. And, thanks to you, I think I may have found such group here! :-) So, I hope that you will not mind if I use this group to realize my idea. :-) Respectfully, John PS: What would you think of creating separate subsections of the site for other issues that job seekers deal with, such as personal finance, preparing for retirement, supporting our kids' educations, and staying physically and mentally healthy as we go through the process of looking for work? Respectfully, John
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@Jason Weiland Thank you very much for saying that I have great ideas! If I may be honest, one of my biggest challenges is following through with my ideas. :-( How would you feel if I were to be more of an idea person, and you handle execution more? Or, would you have any advice, for both myself and everyone else, about following through on one's ideas? Thank you very much in advance. PS: To give credit where credit is due, I think that you alluded to some of this in another post? I think that Johan phrased the issue in terms of 'keeping up momentum' - and you advised that 'consistency' helps one to keep up momentum? May I ask you to please elaborate on that? However, do you think that we should move this discussion back to the main page, so that other people will get the benefit of your guidance? I am not sure about the dynamics of a Skool page; I am not sure how many other members of the group are still following us on this thread. Please feel free to let me know if you know better. Thank you very much in advance.
Re: Introversion
Dear Group: I wish everyone a good Martin Luther King Day! We had an interesting concept come up in yesterday's coffee hour: the idea that many of us are introverts, so that may be a challenge for us. I imagine that, if some of us want to become influencers and post videos, or maybe even engage in public speaking events, that may also be an issue. I would like to offer a thought, in case it is helpful. Back in high school, some people were surprised that I used to act in middle school. They thought that I was too shy and quiet to perform on stage. What they did not realize was that acting on stage felt, paradoxically, like one of the most private things I ever did - because I felt like I was not exposing myself. I was playing a role, acting as a character. So, I wonder if that might help us if we want to do presentations or engage in public speaking? What if we were to play a role, present a character, instead of exposing ourselves? Having said that - I wonder if some people might want to rebel against what I am saying - and make an effort to be as authentic and themselves as much as possible! Thank you very much for your time and attention.
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John Sherratt
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