@David Dupont Good morning David, For a 2025 or 2026 Civic, deals are tight right now, especially on hybrids. A good OTD price depends a lot on your local market, trim, and taxes. The key to getting a strong deal is solid market research before contacting dealers. That's how you know what's actually realistic. Start here: Hit up visor.vin first it's hands down the best for seeing the full market at a glance, with clean sorting by price/mileage, price history, and no BS distractions. Then cross-check with AutoTempest (pulls from everywhere), Cars.com, Autotrader, and a few dealer sites. Find at least 7-10 new Civics that match what you want—same year, trim, options, even color if it matters. I copy the links into a simple Word doc, with space under each to note quotes or details when I call/email dealers. Way better than spreadsheets for this process imo Once you've got that list built, you'll have market research to shop dealers confidently. John