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https://localbusinesssearch.com/blog/openclaw-ollama-hermes-telegram-local-ai-stack/
May 28th Webinar
I am not added as meeting host for todays webinar so I cannot start the webinar. I have text Alex and Dar. I will sit on for about 10 min to see if it gets resolved.
People Are Comparing Completely Different Types of AI
I think part of the confusion in a lot of these conversations is that people are lumping EVERYTHING under the word ‘AI’ like it’s all the same thing. Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok, etc. are primarily conversational AI products. They’re polished chat interfaces sitting on top of very large foundation models. Their job is to give you a great direct user experience in a controlled environment. But OpenClaw, Hermes, local models, agents, orchestrators, tool systems, memory systems, vector databases, automation pipelines, and autonomous workflows are an entirely different category of AI infrastructure. That’s why comparing Hermes directly to OpenClaw is kind of like comparing: - an employeeto - an operating system for a company. - Hermes is an agent/model layer. It’s focused on reasoning, continuity, task execution, conversational flow, and staying locked into objectives. OpenClaw is orchestration infrastructure. It’s managing: - model routing - fallbacks - memory hooks - integrations - APIs - local/cloud execution - automation - Telegram/Slack/Discord - tools - workflows - permissions - sandboxing - telemetry - session management Most people entering AI right now only know the ‘chat app’ side of AI because that’s what exploded publicly first. But once you move into autonomous systems, local AI, multi-agent frameworks, coding agents, workflow automation, persistent memory, and orchestration, you’re entering a completely different world. That’s why a raw OpenClaw setup can sometimes feel rough compared to ChatGPT or Claude. You’re no longer just using a polished chatbot — you’re effectively building and tuning an AI operating environment. And honestly, that’s where things are headed long term anyway. The future probably isn’t one giant chatbot that does everything perfectly. It’s: - orchestrators - specialized agents - local models - cloud reasoning models - persistent memory systems - tool chains - autonomous workflowsall working together as one ecosystem.
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Considering dumping openclaw
I’ve really been struggling with Openclaw having it do what I want and forgetting things we talked about even being in the same thread we literally talked about it earlier on slack. Hermes agent is killing it so far and staying on top of everything and easily filling the gap where Openclaw is lacking. I’m lost at what I should do. Spending the money that I did to get productivebot it sucks but I don’t know how to fix it. Anyone have any suggestions?
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I think the biggest mindset shift is realizing this isn’t really an ‘OpenClaw vs Hermes’ thing. Hermes isn’t necessarily replacing OpenClaw — it’s enhancing it. OpenClaw is more like the orchestration framework. It handles routing, tools, integrations, channels, fallbacks, workflows, automation, APIs, local/cloud models, memory systems, etc. It’s basically the infrastructure layer. Hermes, on the other hand, is behaving more like a highly capable agent/operator inside that infrastructure. That’s why it feels more conversationally coherent and better at staying on task. A lot of people compare them directly when they really operate at different layers of the stack. The sweet spot honestly seems to be: - OpenClaw = orchestration + infrastructure - Hermes = intelligent agent layer - Local models = utility/reasoning/specialized workers - Cloud models = fallback/high-context escalation Once I stopped treating it like one had to “win” over the other, the whole system started making way more sense. The people getting the best results right now usually aren’t replacing OpenClaw with Hermes — they’re integrating Hermes INTO OpenClaw and tightening the routing/memory stack around it. That’s when things start feeling less like a chatbot and more like an actual autonomous system.
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