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Vocal "Chirps"
Very cool vocal performance by Sia in this song: https://youtu.be/t2NgsJrrAyM?si=jgioXLPW0FiGAl0C&t=242 Wondering if anyone has ideas about how she achieves those interesting vocal "chirps" when she sings "I'm alive..." around 4:00 into the song.
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@Shajeen Islam The offset or end of a phonation "chirp" is like a yodel, releasing the glottis for a squeaky offset, or letting go of the TA for a purposefully "flip" into head voice. The beginning chirp is the opposite, coming from an open/airy onset and suddenly going into a vowel, making the folds "flip" into action.
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@Shajeen Islam In my courses, I try to repeat the definition every time I remember to. The "glottis" is the opening of the true folds, the empty space that can be shaped. "Onset" is the beginning or initial setup of a phonation/sound, whereas "offset" is how it ends. There's definitely terminology to learn, but there's also a supplemental PDF in the Rock Singing Complete course that can help.
The Three Necessary Ingredients For Distortion - Compression, Constriction and Acoustics
I like to sing melodically with grit, so I've never actively tried to learn false fold screams. Then I came across a guy who said that the more you work on your false fold screams, the false folds adapt in a way so that they can vibrate faster than the false folds of the typical non-vocalist!!! That's amazing. No wonder these guys who have been doing them for years and years get so much more distortion. It's not as if the flase fold scream is some ultra-technical technique. It's about as basic as they come and maybe that's why screaming is more in vogue than singing with grit: It's harder to sing with grit and manage both the clean note and the grit you place over the top than to just create distortion. I thought: If I learn to do false fold screams, my false folds could adapt in a way that they vibrate faster, which could give me better quality, more badass grit when I sing with grit. So, maybe there is some benefit in learning to scream even though I'm not a screamer. I have looked at numerous tutorials for false fold screams including Gabriel Bonhila's channel (he does a tremendous Alex Terrible type scream) and David Benites Extreme Vocal. Not one of them uses a hyoid pull. They don't even use a similar sounding term. It's amazing how much distortion they can generate without using any constriction. They create far more distortion than I 'd ever even need to! Not only do they not ever mention a hypoid pull, they don't even say to use constriction! I thought: "How can they be creating so much distortion without one of the three essential in gredients? My curiosity was piqued. I'm wondering if maybe hyoid pulls are only necessary for singing with grit but not for screaming. One said specifically: "Do not squeeze or narrow your vocal tract." I tried letting the tract remain open and I got a much better false fold scream than I did when I was trying to make my vocal tract narrower to get that "thumb over the water hose" on my airflow! I couldn't belive I'd never thought to try that.
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@Shajeen Islam Vibrato is a different technique than cry, it's a vocal effect brought on by a very particular use of the larynx and diaphragm. It's often done purposefully, or trained to happen over time. But it's a separate training routine. A lot of the guys you mentioned use a LOT of twang compression in their voice, or are already bright in timbre. Bach kept training his voice, Neil didn't, resulting in a stark difference in the overall sound as they got older. How much surface area they're getting can directly affect whether they sound thin, edgy, piercing, or squeezed.
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@Shajeen Islam I"m saying it means something different in different contexts. I use the term a lot to describe the resulting sensation rather than the actual muscle groups, because it's easier to tug on the hyoid a little rather than to think about moving your arytenoids, flexing the TA, dampening the larynx, etc..., which usually results in over-doing it.
I Was Obsessed With Grit
For a long time the main thing on my mind when going into a practice session would be how to get better at creating grit or distortion. I was a distortion freak! I find it as fascinating as ever to be able to sing with grit and I've even gotten a little bit interested in screaming, but mostly it was about singing melodically with grit or even pitched screaming, which essentially is the most extreme end of the spectrum that goes from singing with light rasp all the way to using pitched screams. Recently I hit a plateau. It didn't seem like any more progress was possible unless I made some type of fundamental change. It occurred to me that the quality of your gritty singing is going to be dependent on the quality of the signal from the source - the true folds. I'm no expert in acoustics but it makes sense to me that if we're using the false folds and other supraglottal structures to saturate the clean signal with distortion, then the more robust the clean signal is, the better you're going to be able to saturate it with distortion. In essence, good quality clean vocals lead to good quality gritty vocals and low quality clean vocals lead to low quality gritty vocals.
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You are 100% on point. Distortion is added on top of the singing voice as an effect. Even most screams are on top of a light and airy head-voice or falsetto. If it's difficult to sing, it's MUCH more difficult once you try to add distortion.
Chest vs Head Voice, Larynx Getting Stuck, & Straw Sirens
A SUBMITTED QUESTION ***** I've been doing what you told me and realized something when switching between resonances. Whenever I go high/into head voice and I want to go back down to chest voice my larynx gets stuck, it's a really odd feeling. I was trying to go back down from head voice while using the straw when I felt everything jam up into place with air nowhere to go - it created a really pressurized chamber inside of my mouth combined with the puffy cheeks. I have been trying to cry but I suspect I've been doing it wrong. I feel tension in my throat when I'm crying so I guess that's not correct. Also, I'm still not able to utilize forward placement. The most I've been able to feel is vibrations in my nose. The straw warmup did clear my chest voice out but it's not helping me even while doing the sirens because of the larynx thing. ***** Great question! This is something a LOT of people struggle with at first, both with the straw AND the missed fundamentals of the singing voice that can smooth out the transition of chest and head voice as well as ghelp you with more effortless singing in geneal. STRAW VS NORMAL SINGING For the straw sirens, don't worry too much about your voice flipping. It's mostly about a stretch from as low as you can sing to as high as you can sing while staying SUPER LIGHT (light and sqeuaky on the top end). As you learn more about and implement better cry vocal mode, it will smooth out, but that's not the main point of the sirens. Most vocal flips, or getting stuck trying to "switch resonances," happen because the chest voice wasn't places well to begin with—where even chest voice is mixed, which I'll describe more below. Singing into the straw is where you want more emphasis on cry and twang. It actually takes a bit more effort than normal singing, meaning you have to give it both more twang and cry than normally required. Cry is the foundation. When normal singing, it's all about lift and sob; or rather top-down whimper ("Michael Jackson" voice or feminization of the voice) putting resonance up and out, behind the nose and eyes, and ALSO sob relaxing the larynx. Both of these together relax the larynx and give you a mix of head-voice and chest-voice resonance throughout your range—more chesty down low and more heady up high, like a giant cross-fade. Twang, edging acoustics, or pointing the voice behind the nose or eyes adjusts your sound color. Front to back is edging to curbing (bright to round). Up and down in that spot is the top-down whimper of cry.
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Here's a quick breakdown of: 1. The straw sirens and warming up your voice 2. Using pulse onsets to find cry and relax the larynx quickly 3. Proper acoustic placement of the voice (feminizing the voice as your singing voice placement) 4. How to start with cry as your foundation and then add the sound you want (mix or belt) 5. Over-crying for easier distortion
Oli Sykes Interviewed By Nik Nocturnal!
Nik said: "If you scroll through Instagram, TikTok, they're just bedroom kids screaming. Somehow everyone knows how to do false cords and the zombie noises." Oli interjected: "Yeah, yeah, and everyone's got this kind of like, like it's funny like the technique of screaming. Not that there's no technique to screaming, but like, that wasn't something I would think about before, you know, I would just like, yeah. Just want to scream. Like it was just screaming. I never thought about like I might damage my voice or anything like that. And sometimes I'll see someone going 'you want to scream like Oli Sykes? This is how I do it" and I watch it and I'm like "is it'? Cause I don't know that. Like that's, I have no idea how I do that. I never think about it. Do you know what I mean"? I know what he means; I speak English quite well, but I can't say I understand his mentality. Just as if I were going to be a public speaker or an orator, I'd want to learn how to speak without jamming "like" into every sentence. I'd want to try to eliminate saying "um." I know why people do it. They're using that time to think about what they are going to suppose for example, if I were asked: "How do you sing"? Hopefully I wouldn't start like this: "Uh, well, it's like, I mean, when I sing, like I have to relax...." Hopefully, I'd start more like this: "You want to know how I sing? I'll tell you exactly how I sing [that bought me a whole lot more time to think about what I'm going to say than the former example]. The first thing about it is I need to relax. Why would I relax? [I know why I'd relax but by asking that rhetorical question, I've given myself more time to decide how to explain it.] I relax so it will sound good and so I don't get hurt. That means I'm doing some stretches. before I start. I want all the muscles in my neck to be ready for it. I don't want them tight. I want them to be supple and flexible so I don't get hurt and so singing will be a little closer to effortless because ideally, singing should be almost effortless.
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Very well said. There still a HUGE myth with singing of "you either have it or you don't" that holds a lot of people back from learning their instrument. Some people have more natural talent, but I really just call that intuition and a good mind/body connection. I had to work for it! Hard! But imagine if famous singers with great or highly unique big voices trained their voices beyond tips and tricks they picked up along the way; people like Freddie Mercury, Kurt Cobain, Sia, Oli Sykes. I can only imagine. As for this community, it's very common for a small percentage to be active in musician forums, especially for singers. There are a lot more who read than comment. I'm all about transparency, so I don't mind talking about it. A typical Skool community apparently has 8% active and 90% lurkers. That seems better from than many fo the outside communities I've been a part of before. Typical engagement for a Skool community is 1.5% to 2.1%. Thanks to Skool recently adding analytics, I can see that this community's engagement is at about 15%, sometimes going down to 10% but usually staying closer to 15%. I didn't know that until you mentioned it! Pretty good numbers, but I know I can do more to get it up even further. There are a LOT of changes coming to Rock Singing Success and Rock Singing Lessons in the second half of this year, which are unfortunately on hold until then. But I'm super excited about when I can finally start promoting this community again, and overhaul some of its offerings. The good news is, I will be able to help those who are more active here a LOT more in the mean time.
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