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How Maffetone low is too slow
I wonder if others face this dilemma. While I believe in the Maffetone method, I find it difficult to follow, now being 83 years old (in a few days). At 180-83 that would leave me running at 97 BPM. But as Maffetone allows, I do add 10 for being in good running condition so 107. Now because I think I am “special” I add another 5 for good measure, so OK 112 BMP. I use 112 as my target. Still, even then it is very difficult to hold that low if my concentration drifts just a little. All my easy runs consist of constantly slowing down again and again. My more natural slow easy pace is at least 120. That’s 23 over. No don’t get me wrong, I wholly support the Method. Benefits are a plenty. Reducing or eliminating caustic systemic and dangerous inflammation, reducing injury, allowing for sufficient recovery from hard efforts, promoting fat burning. And just reducing any anxiety of getting out to door facing a tiring outing, knowing the run will be…you know, easy. But besides running for general health and longevity,, I run to race. Now I agree that avoiding the black whole is a central aspect of training. This may be the most overlooked aspect training for age group races. The black hole is too fast (because it does tire us out but does not increase fitness or promote fat burning). I firmly believe slow training must be slow and easy with hard days really fast and properly spaced and hard (such as tempo runs or intervals etc). Maffetone acknowledges we advanced-age athletes can add some points to the 180 formula. Are there more factors, such as more advanced ages, other outliers such as exceptional VO2max and performance history? The question is, under what scenario might the add-on exceptions increase even more? What other thoughts are out there on this?
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Hi John! I'm 74, and I usually run the long runs with my brother Oriol (73). We have been following very consistently Dr Phil's Maffetone's method for at least 15 years. The funny thing is that while my running cardiac frequencies agree quite well to the (180-age) formula (+10 in my case), my brother, running at the same pace, and at the same perceived level of effort goes always 20 bpm above me, which reminds me very much your case. Of course, my brother has corrected his c. Maffetone frequency +20 additional bpm, and goes quite aerobic. By the way, we both have run several marathons (at our fifties and early sixties) and we still run a half marathon per year with times at the very same level.
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@John Phillips Right John, which is what is what Oriol does all the time. We came to the conclusión tha the Maffetone frequencies are in the TL1 zone : the aerobic threshild zone (lactate concentration around 2mmole). Training at these frequencies or below produces no significative inflamation.
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Hi everyone. I'm Xavier from Barcelona (Spain). 74 y.o. and still running a half marathon per year (as slow as 2h:19 last August in Reykiavik). Now running 3 times per week, cross training cycling twice/week and light swiming once a week. Always ready to learn and exchange running experiencis with other members of this community.
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Hi Herb! Just getting used to this new (for me : old school kind of guy) app. As soon as I get It I'll start posting.
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Hello everyone from Barcelona. 74. Average runner. I run a half-marathon/year. I'm really very impressed with your comments about Dr Phil Maffetone method, which I have been following consistently for at least 15 years now.
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Hello! My name is Xavier, I'm 74

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