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Need help with a discussion on the resurrection
I've had a long discussion with two friends about the resurrection as the proof for Christianity, I've gotten some objections I am not sure how to answer: Firstly, a "spiritual but not religious" friend of mine said Jesus could've been a man who simply transcended spiritually and learned how to defeat death, then he did so to trick people in order to attain worship for himself Secondly, from an agnostic, the resurrection of Jesus could be explained by natural causes we haven't yet discovered, like a unique biological anomaly, an error inside of a simulation or a law of physics not yet discovered I'd much appreciate any help with these objections as I found myself stuck, thank you!
Need help with a discussion on the resurrection
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Here’s a tool we can use whenever objections of this sort arise. We might call it the tool of expectation. The key distinction we have to keep in view is the difference between possibility and probability. When we ask, “What should we expect if this hypothesis were true?” we are not merely asking whether the hypothesis is logically possible. We are asking whether, given that hypothesis, the relevant data becomes expected. That is a probabilistic question. It concerns reasoning under uncertainty. Possibility is much weaker. A claim is possible so long as it does not entail a contradiction. But possibility, by itself, tells us very little. It does not tell us what is likely, what best explains the evidence, or what we should rationally expect. This matters because it is incredibly cheap to invent a possible explanation. Anyone can generate a hypothesis that avoids contradiction. But unless there is some reason to think that the hypothesis makes the evidence expected, we do not yet have an explanation. We just have an idea. So before rushing to answer the objection, we should press the prior question: How does this hypothesis make the data more probable? Or more directly: Why should I think this is the most probable explanation of the evidence? That question gives us a much clearer sense of whether the objection has any real epistemic force, or whether it is merely trading on bare possibility.
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Counter-Forensics and the Resurrection
Hey y’all, not too long ago, I saw a video on a pastor named Paul Vanderklay’s YouTube channel where he had a discussion with a guy named John who runs a podcast called “Christianity on the Spectrum” (what I’ll be discussing from the video is roughly from the time 14:10 to 23:40). John is an expert at counter-forensics, which he claims is a deep analysis of how does/can one know things in historical reconstruction, and of what processes does one follow to accurately reconstruct the past. It seems that in his work he generally is doing analysis on events recently occurred (especially compared to ancient historical documents). I’ll give a definition I got from an AI overview, which is: A counter forensicist is a professional who reviews, critiques, and challenges evidence from an initial forensic investigation. They look for mistakes, biases, or wrong conclusions in crime scene reports. This helps ensure that the legal system is fair and that evidence is accurate. In the video (which is attached to this post), John essentially speaks on how he at one point accepted much of critical scholarship on the New Testament. Later when he began to reflect on his views on NT critical scholarship in light of counter forensics, he realized that a lot of the things said by the critical scholarship were erroneous, such as their strong claims for particular events not occurring and arguments against traditional authorship. However, he also thought that the claims made by the Christian apologists were erroneous as well. One of the things he mentioned in the video that is specifically problematic to him is when scholars use stylometric analysis to make strong claims about authorship, because the New Testament is only 30,000 words, which he claims is not enough data to draw from and claims that the New Testament does not have enough of the types of data required to do that kind of analysis. He additionally seemed to think that strong claims about Jesus did or did not say are (at least often) speculative. Do you guys have any thoughts on this? Have you heard this critique of New Testament scholarship or critiques like it? The video is linked below for those who'd want to watch (like I said earlier, I'm drawing from roughly 14:10 - 23:40):
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love this topic man! Thanks for sharing 🔥
Misunderstandings About Evidence
A common internet trope we hear all the time is, “Well, I’m not convinced,” or “That doesn’t persuade me,” or “That doesn’t sound true to me.” And a lot of people get tripped up by this, because they think their job now is to sell the person on the truth of their position. But that already grants too much. We need to distinguish between the psychology of evidence and the epistemology of evidence. The psychology of evidence has to do with how evidence feels to you. Whether it moves you. Whether it strikes you as persuasive. Whether it produces some internal sense of certainty. But the epistemology of evidence has to do with whether the evidence actually supports the claim. Those are not the same thing. Merely reporting your psychological state might be interesting. It might tell us something about your background, your biases, your assumptions, your social environment, or your emotional resistance to a conclusion. But by itself, it has no philosophical weight. The question is not, “Am I convinced?” The question is, “What should convince me?” Notice how much work the word should is doing there. “Should” means we are no longer treating our private psychology as the standard. We are now submitting ourselves to a rule, a norm, a guideline, or an authority outside of our immediate feelings. And in this case, the authority is reason. Because none of us are ideal observers. There is no situation where two human beings are reasoning from a perfectly neutral, bias-free standpoint. We all come with emotions, desires, fears, incentives, background assumptions, biological pressures, and psychological complexity. So the point of reason is not that it magically makes us unbiased. The point of reason is that it gives us a way to regulate our biases. It gives us a standard by which we can discipline our psychology, rather than letting our psychology sit on the throne and call itself rationality. And this is where the epistemology of evidence matters. In philosophy, evidence is not just “whatever makes me feel persuaded.” Evidence is a relation of support. One proposition is evidence for another proposition when it raises, supports, or increases the probability of that proposition being true.
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@Alexis Bond glad it resonates 🙌🏽
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